Hi guys! I'm mended but my e cigs died!!!

[lynwlt]

Waves back to Lolli....
Hope you're healing now..
Lynda

[Lilac]

I got some 1000 mAh batts from Kaidomain which don't improve it tho, Lynda looking less like it's the batteries at fault

[ragjoy]

right,ive started completely fresh.
1 new trog atty,using the empty cart (filled with fluval) that was with initially with it.
at first it was rubbish on the mk1 and average on the mk2 (fresh batts in both).
after an hour i trimmed (length and width)the fluval and slightly tapered it (thin end towards the mouth) it now works a treat.
i know the atty needs to burn in a bit but i still think the carts are an issue (i dont know why)i also think that if the cart is packed to tight it affects the wicking,it seems when its tight and wet it dont wick as it should.
if you trim it width ways (i see no reason why you cant do this with the normal filler as well)(but do it after 1 hours use) it wicks better.
also if you have filled carts just wip out the filler and stick it the blank cart that came with the atty.
i know im a newbie to this stuff but i do mess about with the filler and ive found that in the case of cart filler a looser fit is better for wicking.
it may pop out a few times initially but once it swells and is soaked in it will stay in all the time.
ragjoy.........

[lynwlt]

Hmmm...
I don't know quite what to make of this.
One thing, I wonder if we were expecting too much of the SD? (remember reading all that rubbish about one 'cart' being the equivalent of 15-20 analogues?)
The thing is, it looks and feels as if it has been made with great care and precision.
That being said, I took it apart today and cleaned every bit that was reachable. It's the cleanest thing in my house!
I don't know if I should share this next bit of information with you.....
The belt of my micro-fleece dressing gown reaches the parts that other cloths doesn't!!
It was astonishing how much unseen muck it attracted!
(It was a whimsical choice of cloth..)
Anyway, the result of that marathon clean, freshly charged battery, check on the button, and nice clean attie (glowed red on a 901 battery ) was not as good as the vape from a normal 901.
I've tried it with a 510 adapter...nada.
I sort of think that I can't exactly return it because it does vape, just not as well as I was expecting it to..
Sigh..
Lynda

[Lilac]

I think we should be able to expect the SD to perform as well as the 901, but for longer on each battery Lynda...

I'm sure the Prof said that the big battery devices lasted longer at peak performance, before dropping off near the end of the charge...

i don't think so many people would speak so highly of them if they were all like ours...

[ragjoy]

are the old mk1s threads aluminium (or seem like aluminium)?they seem much softer than the mk2 threads,just wondering if the older mk1s have a different thread to our mk1s.
when working at full power it works fine but there does seem to be a connection issue with mine and my wifes,i constantly clean the threads.
ive put the rubber ring back on,tightened down fairly tight and you get a hiss from the atty (no cart on).
if the thread is not in exactly the right place there is no hiss the atty will get hot and eventually glow,but nowhere near as quickly,the vaper is then low and you have to suck much harder.
im wondering if the threads have been changed,there really seems to be a connection issue.
maybe keef could speak to trog about this,i thought it was just me with this intermittent problem,but it seems there are a few even here with a problem.
i still believe you need the correct cart with a certain atty.
this has to be something simple,but really trog is the man maybe (sorry to put pressure on you keef) keef could speak to trog and he can take a sample of our problems and maybe even a few SDs from this forums users and test them if it cant be rectified via text.
i know i can go direct to trog,and yes they are more than helpful on the forum,but i believe they think its a user problem,which maybe it is.
but i dont have the same problems with my mk2 when i swap the atty over onto that.
if i get the thread in a particular spot it works as well if not better than the mk2,but sometimes the power just seems really low.
when you change the battery just check for the hiss,if theres no hiss then the vape power will be low,a slight turn more or less seems to change what power or connection you get.
if trog reads this please dont think im making out to be an expert as im far from that,and yes i could/should have posted on your forum,but this thread was/is live so thats where ive posted,it is not a criticism of you or your product which when right is brilliant,but something just dont seem right,and yes it is probably is something we are or are not doing.
ragjoy........

[Chrissie]

(((Lolli)))) at the moment, this is the last thing you need on top of everything you have been going through

You are right Lilac, the SD should perform at least as well as the 901. I know I had a few problems with misfires with my first SD & I put this down to the old style wobbly button. I've still hardly used my new SD as I so much prefer my GG Grant & Garry Dibley passthru. But I'll make a concerted effort to put it through it's paces & let you all know.

From everything you are all saying, I wonder if something could be causing a higher resistance in your SD's ? However, I've no idea how or what could cause that to happen.

If everyone's atties/carts are performing OK on other devices, then the problem has to be elsewhere.

Such a shame that Trog wouldn't let Bucko know what the problem was with his SD's. That info may have helped everyone else.

[Chrissie]

Lol, I crossed posts with you Raggy?

I wonder if you may have hit the nail on the head? Again, I'm not an expert on this sort of field, but if their is a difference in the threads, if that is what is causing the resistance to be higher.

[buckowski]

Apr 19, 2010 9:18:25 GMT Chrissie said:

Such a shame that Trog wouldn't let Bucko know what the problem was with his SD's. That info may have helped everyone else.

I don't think it was a case of purposefully not letting me know, it sounded more like he couldn't remember which SD he fixed. I just thought he woulda put a note in the return stating what the fault was. Or kept a log of it his end in case the same problem happened again.
I've just got an SD2 with a 901 atty today, so far it's pretty fantastic. There's no doubt about it, when the SD is firing on all cylinders, it's a better vape than the Tornado, it's just for whatever unknown reason, it's hitty/missy in the consistency department. ... I shall persevere lol.

[ragjoy]

Apr 19, 2010 20:37:50 GMT buckowski said:

Apr 19, 2010 9:18:25 GMT Chrissie said:

Such a shame that Trog wouldn't let Bucko know what the problem was with his SD's. That info may have helped everyone else.

I don't think it was a case of purposefully not letting me know, it sounded more like he couldn't remember which SD he fixed. I just thought he woulda put a note in the return stating what the fault was. Or kept a log of it his end in case the same problem happened again.
I've just got an SD2 with a 901 atty today, so far it's pretty fantastic. There's no doubt about it, when the SD is firing on all cylinders, it's a better vape than the Tornado, it's just for whatever unknown reason, it's hitty/missy in the consistency department. ... I shall persevere lol.

ive been swapping between the ml1 and mk2 all last night and all day today,i have put on a ready filled cart (one with the brown end) and the mk2 out strips the mk1 90% of the time,im using the same atty on both SDs.
in the past 2 hrs ive just give up with the mk1.
my wife has complained about hers from day one,she consistently states it gives no more than the cig like 901 but she has to go out with a bloody screwdriver now instead of a pink cig like gadget,
i clean hers and sort out her carts,but within no time its back to a slow vape again.
im now using a new trog 901 atty and on neither the the mk1 or mk2 it dont go red within 10 seconds(im weary of doing it longer) it does however hiss and work ok on the mk2 and sometimes on the mk1.
they dont actually look like an atty ive used before,but i did read on the trog forum that these are the best for the sd mk1.

[ragjoy]

the thing is here we know this is a great product tried and tested by i assume thousands,so we know its sound.
the issue is we have around 5 SDs on here that do not perform as we know they should,its too much of a coincidence that the people here are not getting out of there SD what they know they should.
i didnt really bother with mine as i already had the mk2,but the wife wanted one and the bogoff deal came up so i went halves,i had problems from the start but put it down to a new atty etc then went back to the mk2,tried it again a week or so later just to run the batts and make sure all was fine,it wasnt and i went through the cleaning process via the trog forum and all was fine,now it works intermittently and this seems to be everyone's problem here.
i dont know if anyone knows trog here, so other than keef being a mod on the forum i dont really know how to approach it without it seeming like a complaint,i know it is a complaint,but not one like you have with a shop which generally i have no problem taking them to task,i would just like it to be a non complaint thing as we are possibly all doing something wrong,i dont know what else to try though.

ragjoy.........

[Chrissie]

Raggy, Trog can be a rather difficult person to deal with as he doesn't take any sort of "complaint" well.

OK, I used my SD for most of yesterday with the following results : -

Firstly, a true DSE901 does not turn red on the SD but one of my few still working RN4075's from TW did turn red.

For half the day I used the 901 attie & for the other half the 4075. Most of the time, I got good vape with both. However, I found that if I didn't push the button down hard & straight on, vape production dropped. Trouble is that due to the button position, after a while my fingers start to hurt (I do have arthritis in my hands so this so others will not have the same problem).

I'm off out this morning so will be taking my GG with me (prefer to have a device in my handbag that has a locking button). But will resume putting the SD through it's paces later today.

[keef]

Hi long time no see - well it feels like ages
I have been having mega problems with my internet connection not sure if it was our broadband or the wireless thingy but getting on the net was darned near impossible and every time I did it kicked me off within a minute or two. > > >

Now to the SD .....

Lolli
Lilac
Ragjoy

I am totally lost - the only time I experience what you are describing is when I have carts that dont fit the atties properly and it is not getting enough liquid

I was thinking somehow may be the atomisers were not 100% compatable with the brass head in the SD but Ragjoy posted they tried one from Trog and it has not helped.

I think the best thing you could do is contact Trog or Foggy
[e-mail]
and ask them for a return address so they can take a look and see if they can find a problem.
Explain you have tried cleaning - new batteries - atomisers etc and nothing is helping.
Ask if they want you to send the atomiser and the batteries you are using along with the device for testing.
Mention you were talking to me on Chrissies forum and I advised you to contact them.

You are all in the UK , turnaround is fast, they tend to deal with tests/repairs as soon as they arrive and post back the same or next day.

Lynda - You can return it and ask for a refund .
Trog has said in the past its not the device for everyone and if you are not satisfied , even if it is working and you simply dont like it he will refund .

[Chrissie]

Sorry to hear you have been having internet connection problems Keef.

I do know that badly fitting carts can cause the atties not to wick properly, but I can't see this being the problem in most cases here as some have tried the same cart/attie combo on other devices & they have been fine.

[Lilac]

Hi Keef...hope your internet connection is okay now, soooo frustrating when you can't get online

Chrissie, i was reading that you were getting a decent vape from your SD and started thinking that i did find it good when i first got it, the progress to weak vape seemed to happen gradually....

i then decided to use an RN4075 from TW instead of the one i got from Vape88 which i presume is a 901 altho it works terrifically well on my 901 ecig...

hey presto...the SD works much better....but if the 901 attie isn't really compatible with the SD, that is very restrictive, and not good news in view of the 20 new atties i just got from Amy which are 901's