Tonight on vapourtrails.tv

[hifistud]

Indeed - now's the time to build on it - here's hoping Vapefest gets loads of meeja attention...

[domesticextremist]

I saw the vttv show, and it was nice to see the activity described at least accurately,
if not necessarily favourably.
One comment I would make is that it is perhaps not a great idea to have
pictures of folks with monster mod contraptions blowing great clouds of
pea soup around (possibly what prompted the showing off comment).

Now don't take this the wrong way, there's nothing I like more than popping
out a big fat smoke ring, and I know that vape doesn't carry and hang around
or stink like fag smoke - but the point is, you can't work that out from a few fleeting
seconds of TV footage. Bear in mind people give far more weight to the images
they see than the words they hear, so a non-smoker seeing that might well think
it's a good reason to be anti.

If you want to see what I mean, try watching with the sound down, and with the
mind set of a vehement anti-smoking killjoy.

Now the other day, I was showing my Riva to a non-smoking friend over Skype,
and the first thing he commented on was how little visible 'smoke' it emitted, so if
we want to sell this to the masses, it might make sense to tone it down a bit when
the TV folks are around - no sense frightening the horses, even if it does take all
the fun out of it.

Feel free to shoot me down in flames if you disagree...

[hifistud]

The whole point of the pieces that Calendar and Look North did was that it's actually OK to use an e-cig in a pub, it's legal, and it's not harmful, and the same tenor came out in the Daybreak piece. If I'm to be both honest and a little cynical, the antis will be anti no matter how much vapour I or anyone else exhale, but a smoker looking at that footage might well be prompted to give it a go - and frankly, that would be my preference.

I have to say that I frequently find myself being somewhat perplexed by the number of people who appear to be ashamed of their e-cig use, and seek to minimise vapour and any outwardly visible signs that they're e-smokers (or vapers).

[CAM-VIP]

There are plenty of 'antis' at The Anglers,,,,,I can hear the whinging now as I type

[Gordy]

Oct 9, 2011 12:11:54 GMT CAM-VIP said:

There are plenty of 'antis' at The Anglers,,,,,I can hear the whinging now as I type

are the anti's smokers or non smokers Rusty?

[CAM-VIP]

They are anti everything Gordy!!!

[Deleted]

Just watched the show for the first time in ages, lovin the publicity that is being generated , keepin blowin clouds , I'm proud to vape

[HeadHunter]

Oct 9, 2011 3:22:21 GMT domesticextremist said:

I saw the vttv show, and it was nice to see the activity described at least accurately,
if not necessarily favourably.
One comment I would make is that it is perhaps not a great idea to have
pictures of folks with monster mod contraptions blowing great clouds of
pea soup around (possibly what prompted the showing off comment).

Now don't take this the wrong way, there's nothing I like more than popping
out a big fat smoke ring, and I know that vape doesn't carry and hang around
or stink like fag smoke - but the point is, you can't work that out from a few fleeting
seconds of TV footage. Bear in mind people give far more weight to the images
they see than the words they hear, so a non-smoker seeing that might well think
it's a good reason to be anti.

If you want to see what I mean, try watching with the sound down, and with the
mind set of a vehement anti-smoking killjoy.

Now the other day, I was showing my Riva to a non-smoking friend over Skype,
and the first thing he commented on was how little visible 'smoke' it emitted, so if
we want to sell this to the masses, it might make sense to tone it down a bit when
the TV folks are around

I cannot argue with that, seems a reasonable point, infact I am sure it is roughly the same point that I was making about the whole 'Pub - Vaping' incident.

[womble]

Oct 9, 2011 3:22:21 GMT domesticextremist said:

I saw the vttv show, and it was nice to see the activity described at least accurately,
if not necessarily favourably.
One comment I would make is that it is perhaps not a great idea to have
pictures of folks with monster mod contraptions blowing great clouds of
pea soup around (possibly what prompted the showing off comment).

Now don't take this the wrong way, there's nothing I like more than popping
out a big fat smoke ring, and I know that vape doesn't carry and hang around
or stink like fag smoke - but the point is, you can't work that out from a few fleeting
seconds of TV footage. Bear in mind people give far more weight to the images
they see than the words they hear, so a non-smoker seeing that might well think
it's a good reason to be anti.

If you want to see what I mean, try watching with the sound down, and with the
mind set of a vehement anti-smoking killjoy.

Now the other day, I was showing my Riva to a non-smoking friend over Skype,
and the first thing he commented on was how little visible 'smoke' it emitted, so if
we want to sell this to the masses, it might make sense to tone it down a bit when
the TV folks are around - no sense frightening the horses, even if it does take all
the fun out of it.

Feel free to shoot me down in flames if you disagree...

No I agree and I'm a bit surprised that everyone is harping on about it being a success tbh.
If I didn't know anything about e-cigs, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have won me over in any way.

[CAM-VIP]

Media exposure such as the stuff following the TW event, just increases the awareness of ecigs. It is not about winning people over, it is about planting a seed.

Smokers are very stubborn people - I know because I am one! If somebody preaches to me about something, I turn off or if they preach enough, I become anti what they are telling me. However, I am as guilty as anyone for preaching about ecigs!

The news reports were positive - they accepted that they can be used in public places legally and that they are very likely to be less harmful than cigarettes. If the smoker just got either part of that message, it is a success.

I know that the majority of smokers will just continue in their own merry way, smoking; thinking about when they can have their next fag, enjoying just a small number of the cigs they smoke, paying a fortune in taxes, stinking and so on. However for the few that have had enough of all of the above, these reports have subliminally informed them of something else they can try instead and they will give them a try eventually.

Rusty
BTW - I now smoke the odd real cigarette after over 2 years of being smoke free. The reason is because I can and I enjoy all of them, not because I need to have them!

[womble]

I've tried to preach about e-cigs to smokers I know, they were sort of interested when I had a looky likey, but as soon as I upped to a Riva, that was the end.
Bit weird, but I'm just getting laughed at by people that continue to kill themselves smoking. It is a little strange tbh.



I'm afraid I didn't get the message from the tv clips that it was better for you, mostly I got the message that it was a way to circumvent the smoking ban and it was debatable at best how bad e-cigs were for you. Also that they were massive things that looked really odd. And that's coming from someone who's got over the initial shock of the size and shape of some of the things out there.

I'm afraid I think it was a bit of a wasted opportunity, but with the press they generally have a way they want to go and you have no choice but to go along.


And I'm probably going to get massively taken down for this...... and I'm not sure it was shown on tv or not.
But, I can't stand the image of TW's devil. Seems to be the wrong sort of image for e-cigs to me.

[CAM-VIP]

The less harmful bit was only really on the Dr Hilary Jones bit on Daybreak (the only National broadcast) - but it was mainly about circumventing the smoking ban which is my thing anyway

TW had no sway at all on which bits they broadcasted, neither did we! We cannot determine how they report such things. I did speak to the Calendar bloke about the CAM-VIP nights where we are giving donated disposables to smokers BUT I doubt they will want to cover it on Wed night

When ECCA is fully functional, I think that it should approach the media and give them the full story, without gimmicks or trying to sell anything but the concept. So far, all the media coverage has been generated by enthusiastic vendors, so they are unsurprisingly wary of the whole subject.

I agree with you womble - the TW image is a worry to me and always has been, but I cannot deny the good work that Jason Cropper and his team are doing to get the exposure that ecigs need. I feel sorry for him - in a way - that the majority of people seen on those clips were not using his devices - instead, they were using very high end mods that only the most enthusiastic enthusiast would EVER use

Rusty

[womble]

Yes the Dr Hilary was a good bit, forgotten about that one. I just wish they could have given him 2 minutes and he could have explained them properly, but hopefully it may have got someone searching google and they can find somewhere like this.


I've never shopped at TW, just because I don't like the image, seems a bit silly to be saying it, but even when I first looked at it before I knew anything about e-cigs, I thought that.

[domesticextremist]

Well, I wasn't meaning to rain so heavily on the parade, VTTV is good
stuff, and promoting e-cigs needs to be done.

I thinnk it's not just a matter of converting smokers, but also convincing
the non-smoking majority that this isn't going to be a problem for them.

[Perpetua]

I wouldn't say you rained on the parade Dom . . . lively discussion about anything is always a good thing in my book, plus it is interesting to hear others points of view.

The main thing that came out of this particular publicity for me, was the positivity of it all from the media . . . something that's previously been woefully lacking.