Pneumonia caused by an e-cig - death by VG!!!

[toots]

Can't believe this www.typicallyspanish.com/news-spain/northern/The_first_case_in_Spain_of_pneumonia_caused_by_an_electronic_cigarette_has_been_diagnosed.shtml

The cause of death was vegetable glycerine which is present in electronic cigarettes

  I use almost 100% VG - WTF!!!

When in hospital he smoked five charges a day, the equivalent of five cigarette packets

What the hell are they going on about

[fiddles]

Don't panick toots

I have read several places this is impossible to get lipid pneumonia from VG

check these links

www.vapestick.co.uk/e-cigarette-blog/german-cancer-research-false-claims-ecig-effects

ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/157-glycerol

[toots]

haha fiddles I'm not really panicking. I knew that article was wrong, but I just wanted to point out yet another negative stab at the e-cig by the media.

I've read enough statements by Dr Farsalinos, and heard him speak on Vapour Trails to know that vaping with VG or PG & nicotine is a damn sight better than smoking

[mikeb]

That article is so wrong it must be a spoof.

[djs]

You'll be OK. (We'll be OK)

Not so sure about the 5 charges? 5 cartomisers? E-Lites say that is like 3,467 cigarettes, so I take the point.

[mikeb]

I left a comment on this article and have had an email from the author accepting that it's wrong, he gives the source for the piece but it's in foreign so can't read it.

www.elmundo.es/salud/2014/03/13/5321d3d0ca4741eb4f8b4576.html

[paolo]

I can translate that for you mike if you want to know what it says.

Basically it says, the was pneumonia caused by deposits of vg on the lungs that impaired proper breathing like another case featured in the journal Chest. According to experts (unnamed) the vg obstructs the lungs/breathing areas. According to Carmen Montero cheif of the broncology department at the Hospital of Caruna, there is no doubt "lipid pnuemonia could not come from another source, other than nasal drops or from medications that contain glycerine, but this is not the case here" There's a response from Spanish vapers saying that they've been used for ages though, why aren't there more cases this doesn't seem representative etc.

The director of the Spanish association for thoracic surgeons says, there will be more cases soon if people keep using E-cigs. Then there's a bit about nicotine being bad for the heart I think, I didn't properly read that.

[kibbster]

In short.
What a total load of bollocks, every word of it.

[Deleted]

The Spanish patient was 50 years old and was a heavy smoker.

Why was he originally taken into hospital. That article implies he vaped in hospital but smoked fags before. What was his medical history prior to admission?

Looks like they're using this to justify further, the attack on vaping...probably supported by the fag companies.

[Deleted]

Mar 28, 2014 20:09:36 GMT fiddles said:

Don't panick toots

I have read several places this is impossible to get lipid pneumonia from VG

check these links

www.vapestick.co.uk/e-cigarette-blog/german-cancer-research-false-claims-ecig-effects

ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/157-glycerol

i post the 2 link from you with a comment ...

[giles]

You can't get lipoid pneumonia from VG, but you can get it from vegetable oil. The guy could have been vaping something with vegetable oil in it, and if he vaped a lot of it that could be the cause. References here (talking about the other death referred to in the article, which was in Germany) and here

[paolo]

Yeah I wasn't that impressed with it either. I read it in the Spanish press a week or so back and didn't have to look far to see it debunked, from an article someone posted on here I think.

A few Spanish vapers have left comments under the El Mundo piece, disputing it and linking to a counter article.

@zero All the original El Mundo article says is that he was admitted with a cough and difficulties breathing and that he'd smoked for ten years, nothing more than that, unless I missed something.

[Adam78]

Mar 29, 2014 12:46:41 GMT giles said:

The guy could have been vaping something with vegetable oil in it, and if he vaped a lot of it that could be the cause.

Is that even possible? ???

I might be wrong here but I didn't think oils would be vapourized at the temperature of a normal e-cig coil..and isn't the "smoke point" temperature lower than the temperature it would take to vapourize oil? I think you'd know about it if you were inhaling vegetable oil smoke.

[giles]

Mar 29, 2014 15:27:02 GMT Adam78 said:

Mar 29, 2014 12:46:41 GMT giles said:

The guy could have been vaping something with vegetable oil in it, and if he vaped a lot of it that could be the cause.

Is that even possible? ???

I might be wrong here but I didn't think oils would be vapourized at the temperature of a normal e-cig coil..and isn't the "smoke point" temperature lower than the temperature it would take to vapourize oil? I think you'd know about it if you were inhaling vegetable oil smoke.

Does your coil get hot enough to boil oil? I'd think so, at least sometimes. And probably you'd get some vapour off it before it reached the boiling point. I guess whether you could tell would depend on the proportion of it in the vape. 

We know that you can get lung damage from cooking oil fumes - for instance this. Best avoid vaping anything with oil in it, and not just because it gunks up the coils.

[decoy]

at the end of the day after only a month on these things I feel so much better so I shall continue after all we do live in a free country don't we