Tobacco Flavours vs Ashtray Flavours

[kindyre]

Does anyone know of any UK vendors that sell good tobacco flavours that actually taste the way fresh/cured tobacco smells? (As opposed to trying to imitate cigarettes and tasting like ashtray/smoke/stubbed-out-cig/wet-fag)

In particular, does anyone know whether Dekang tobacco flavours are of the ashtray variety? (I'm guessing yes, going by smell of the bottle?)

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Optional backstory:

This is actually my third go at vaping (returning to analogs in between). First time was around 2007ish, back when ecigs were just showing up, and I was in Germany at the time. Second time was just 2-3 years ago and I was in the States. Both times I stuck with it for a year or two but still smoked cigarettes every now and again, which was probably a mistake and the main reason I'd ultimately return to just cigarettes. This time I just dropped the stinkies outright, about 4 weeks ago.

I do know my way around vaping, devices and liquids in general very well, but I'm quite oblivious to the vaping market in the UK and still catching up on the newest developments in terms of gear.

I've also never used Dekang liquid before. But I ordered an MVP 2.0 from Myepack last week (brilliant device BTW, though I do miss being able to step down voltage directly instead of having to cycle around) and they also sell liquid at a decent price (my god, most vendors here are overpriced!) so I ordered 10ml each of VA Blend, King of Cigar and Blackberry. Blackberry smelled and vaped fine, though I've had much better Blackberry flavours.

But both VA Blend And KoC smelled the same and a bit nasty, just sniffing the bottle tip. It seemed like such a familiar smell too, but I couldn't quite place it... maybe it was just too faint since the bottle has a small needle tip opening? So I dripped a couple drops on a piece of paper towel, closed my eyes and took a good whiff, trying to figure out where I'd smelled this before. And then it hit me. ASHTRAY. It smells like ashtray! So I'm guessing that's what it would vape like too? (Don't really want to waste a coil if that's the case)

The thing is, I love "real" tobacco flavours. Ones that taste of tobacco, not of ashtray. That's why I ordered these two. In my past experiences with German and US eliquid markets, ashtray flavours were fairly rare and always very clearly labelled as being intentionally disgusting / for people who just need that cigarette smoke flavour. Anything labelled simply as Tobacco was either the oldschool, RY4-style nutty/caramelly flavour or, more recently, a flavour that tasted the way the first cigarette from a freshly opened pack smells if you run it under your nose and breathe in. Or the way a fresh bag of tobacco smells when you just open it and take a good whiff. I'm sure some of you still remember that smell... it's hard to forget. It's a delightfully intoxicating herbal odour and makes for a similarly pleasant all-day vape. At least for me, it's the only thing I can handle at length.

So that's what I'm looking for. But now I'm worried that ashtray flavours are the norm now and/or here in the UK and that any Tobacco liquid I order is likely to be like that. Hence this thread. I'm hoping it's just Dekang and not the norm or, at least, that normal tobacco flavour can be had somewhere.

I did also try some VividVapours Classic Tobacco and Golden Tobacco simply because a local shop sells it. Classic reminded me very strongly of the oldschool, RY4ish taste of most tobacco liquids circa 2007. Golden was much closer to what I was looking for, but didn't quite hit the spot. It's probably just not very good. And certainly very overpriced, being one of those mainstream-appeal brands.

Anyway, I'll stop here... this post is way too long already.

First two lines really sum up my questions as a TL;DR.

[Deleted]

I'm going to stick my neck out and say house of liquid, so far they are the only tobacco eliquids I buy.

But it's such a personal thing, I love HOL and some people hate it.

[Super-Shiny]

Ain't read it all but this gives a ashtray effect: www.chefsvapour.co.uk/DNB_Flavour/p1901058_11977965.aspx

DNB = Dirty Base taste

[Clivia]

I don't vape tobacco anymore - but try the old hoburn - it really tastes like old holburn

[kindyre]

Apr 27, 2014 20:18:00 GMT Super-Shiny said:

Ain't read it all but this gives a ashtray effect: www.chefsvapour.co.uk/DNB_Flavour/p1901058_11977965.aspx

DNB = Dirty Base taste

Thanks, but I'm looking for the opposite!

Sweet, fresh, herbal, unburnt tobacco.

NOT smoked, burnt, ashy tobacco!

[Super-Shiny]

Apr 27, 2014 20:30:33 GMT kindyre said:

Apr 27, 2014 20:18:00 GMT Super-Shiny said:

Ain't read it all but this gives a ashtray effect: www.chefsvapour.co.uk/DNB_Flavour/p1901058_11977965.aspx

DNB = Dirty Base taste

Sweet, fresh, herbal, unburnt tobacco.

Wacky Backy?

[geordie_vaper]

t juice tobacco flavours are really good they extract the flavor from actual tobacco itself, but you get the bitter taste feeling from it like a tobacco that is being smoked so dont no if thats what you are looking for, pm me your adress and i could send you a few ml of some if you would like to give it a try

[Super-Shiny]

On a serious note i do love Flavourarts RY4 Nutzilla with a dash of Flavourarts Caramel, it has a dusky nutty/tobacco note with a hint of sweetness to it.

But you have to make your own mix to get the hint of sweetness as it's my own mix.

For a even more nutty tobacco taste there is Flavourarts BYO Nutzilla, again a very dusky nutty/tobacco taste but more nutty this time.....i still add Flavourarts Caramel with this as i do like a mild sweet exhale when vaping.

[kindyre]

Apr 27, 2014 20:33:40 GMT Super-Shiny said:

Apr 27, 2014 20:30:33 GMT kindyre said:

Sweet, fresh, herbal, unburnt tobacco.

Wacky Backy?

No, not that either!

Although the shop down the road does sell some liquid along those lines and I've been tempted to try it... for Science, of course!

[jonoclouds]

I favour the leafy flavour of LT Ecig's "Inawera Blend", not like ashtray at all!

[charon]

kindyre

Have a look here www.bestcigliquid.co.uk/e-liquid-and-e-juice-for-e-cigs-vaping.html

[monty]

I don't think there's a juice that comes even close to a cigarette. I've tried about 50. There are a couple of RY4s I like but both would benefit from being less sweet.

[Perpetua]

Apr 29, 2014 3:00:37 GMT monty said:

I don't think there's a juice that comes even close to a cigarette. .

I found using a concentrate from infused tobacco leaves wasn't bad in fairness Monty, but it's a massive coil gunker unless you really filter it well or are prepared to build coils on a daily basis.

Which I wasn't, plus I'd gone off of tobacco flavours by then anyway.

[monty]

Try this Perpetua. Find a pub with a beer garden. Take along your most authentic baccy juice. Have a toot on it and then walk past a table of smokers.

[kindyre]

Hey guys, thanks for all the comments!

Bestecigliquid has a huge variety of tobacco flavours, but they seem to market to smokers looking for something familiar... which makes me suspect they'll all taste of burnt tobacco / smoke? Or do all their liquids taste the way tobacco smells before you burn it?

Clivia The way Holborn tastes when you smoke it? Or the way Holborn smells when you open the box and smell the tobacco?

Edit

jonoclouds Been browsing LT ecigs store... looks very promising by the liquid descriptions and reviews, some of them sound exactly like what I'm looking for. Thanks for the pointer, I hadn't heard of them before!