When is a fake not a fake?

[monty]

I just read Robby's comment in the Kamry pipe thread that when Innokin started supplying Fasttech they took the name of their products. Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple of good reasons for doing this

i) They don't want to upset other vendors they supply (there might even have been a term in the contract at the time not to sell to other vendors at a lower price)
ii) They want to sell the same product on two markets - the name brand market, where prices are higher and the generic market where prices are lower. After all if they don't sell on the generic market somebody else will copy there goods and sell them on the generic market.

This rang a bell with the material stainless steel, minor parts may not be stainless steel description. I was wondering how can a company be so stupid as to make an atty out of stainless steel and then put non SS screws in (saving a tenth of a penny). It seems so dumb, but perhaps it's just the genuine article with cheap screws so that people will be more inclined to pay extra for the "genuine article" and thrifty vapers will buy the cheap version and change the screws on delivery. ie they are selling in both markets.

I think this may well be what Youde are doing. Otherwise why would they not be selling to Fasttech. It would also explain the quick appearance of "fake" IGO Ms, which are exclusive products - ie a vendor has commissioned Youde to make the IGO M to their own design, and only supply it to them (as they did with the AGA W).

Sorry to all AAEC Far East correspondents if this is something they know all about already.

[robby]

You are spot on monty. Innokin were vigorously denying they had supplied Fasttech after complaints from their other vendor customers. They were even claiming that the products on Fasttech were fakes in a company statement about it. You wouldn`t see "Innokin" on the products, but you would see "itaste". I have an MVP SVD and VTR from Fasttech and they are genuine. I probably saved in the region of £70 plus over the three products. None of them have Innokin on them. Maybe that was enough to pacify their other customers. They appear to still be supplying Fasttech of the models I have as well as the rest of their products and consumables. I got an update from Youde today of their current promotions and products and there are a lot of familiar products that are sold by Fasttech.
There is an awful lot of fuss made about clones etc of atomisers as if they are ultracomplicated devices. They aren`t, they are a coil and connections and a space. Clearly most of the atties are more or less the same, with very little R and D going on. I would class a lot of Youde`s products in that way. It`s often claimed that because something is a clone of something that they are automatically going to be worse products. This really isnt necessarily so. These are simple devices with more importance on the coils in them than the actual design of the atty.

The Magma listed by FT in the last few days for less than a tenner is currently on sale here therefinedvaper.com/Magma-by-Paradigm-Modz.html for $115. None of it is Rocket Science. It`s a nice design which could have been produced anywhere. I certainly couldn`t resist it being a big dripper fan at less than a tenner. I personally dont agree with stealing the name of the cloned device. I am sure there is another way that the cloners can associate their product with the device that it impersonates.

When it comes down to it, an ecig is a battery, a switch and a coil with wick all joined together. The guy who first designed the ecig may have a claim against everyone producing ecigs and accessories after him, they all actually copy the process that he invented. Depending on how you think about it, everything since has copied his or her invention.

[geordie_vaper]

there is a story going about that the chip inside the hana dna box mod clone is made by evolv just the chip that is,

i kinda of makes scense, they will sell more dna boards so make more money, not sure if its true or not because china is now making there own ie sx200 sx220 sx350

but still a very interesting topic of discussion

[Super-Shiny]

geordie_vaper go over to Breaktru website and you will find all the info you need about chips being used.

[geordie_vaper]

do you have a link i am getting drugs and alcohol awareness haha

[Super-Shiny]

May 23, 2014 19:45:28 GMT geordie_vaper said:

do you have a link i am getting drugs and alcohol awareness haha

breaktru.com/smf/index.php?board=31.0

[VapingBad]

FT claim the often buy via other companies to avoid min pricing agreements. After the Innokin thing FT issued a statement saying that they would not confirm if customers enquired if any item was genuine, but implied that if the description has "authentic" in it it is.

Heard the same rumour about Evolv sanding the markings off the chips on assembled DNA boards and selling them to China. The Hana clones FT are selling have the markings sanded off the chips, doesn't prove a thing though as they have sandpaper in China.

Edit: I made a typo when first posted and missed the "not" from the second sentence, to occupied with spell checking.