The Seduction of Smoking . . . .

[Perpetua]

On BBC 2 now . . . a step back into the past for many of us, though some of the anti ecig brigade may watch and learn something from it.

It could be an interesting watch.

[djs]

I'm on it!!

Let's see what BAT say about "harm reduction".

[djs]

Grim...

Uncomfortable stuff....

oh, wait.... Clive is on.

[Chris]

Argh, I am stuck with Xfactor I am afraid. I will watch it on demand later.

[VapingBad]

What you missed Vapour Trails TV's VTTalk!, it was another very good and positive show tonight. It will be available later on their site.

[vigowomble]

Got it recorded to watch later Perpetua

[Perpetua]

It's not a pretty watch that's for sure vigowomble . . . .

[DiscoDes]

VapingBad

Vapour Trails TV was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC tonight!

[Chris]

Safer alternative..... that was complimentary.

[Chris]

Driving the forefront of the e-cigarette industry...... really?

[Perpetua]

May 29, 2014 21:29:13 GMT Chris said:

Driving the forefront of the e-cigarette industry...... really?

Deluded or what!

Wasn't as much as I'd hoped on Ecigs, but there's a Part 2 of the program so it may delve deeper as ecigs seem to be high on the BBC's radar currently.

[djs]

May 29, 2014 21:32:59 GMT Perpetua said:

May 29, 2014 21:29:13 GMT Chris said:

Driving the forefront of the e-cigarette industry...... really?

Deluded or what!

Wasn't as much as I'd hoped on Ecigs, but there's a Part 2 of the program so it may delve deeper as ecigs seem to be high on the BBC's radar currently.

Let's hope so.

I'm sure that BAT will achieve their aims with e-cigs. The aim will be to sell a product that makes as much money as selling a pack of 20.

That is easily do-able, in fact they are undoubtedly seeing it as a win win. Some people will try them (and use them), others will fail and go back to buying their fags.

BAT will continue to grow their sales in new markets. More tobacco sold in new markets, e-cigs sold here.

However, out there in the real world, cig-a-like sales are already slowing. How soon will it be before every single e-cig user understands the difference between a £5.99 disposable that barely serves as much more than a placebo VS. a refillable e-cig that costs £1 a day to fill?

or maybe, the TPD is enough to kill off all but disposables?

The word is out that cig-a-likes are sh**. For heavy smokers, these products are not good enough. It's times like this that it's actually good news there will be a TW on many high streets or an Independent Vaping shop in plenty of town centres.

BAT might win temporarily with e-cigs and give themselves a huge pat on the back..... but it's not a long term product.

[angryoldgit]

If the beeb can look back with affection at the 'glory days' of smoking so might we. There follows an article that I wrote that may mean something to some of our old hands:- 

Eulogy 

Dearly beloved, let us join together to remember, and to mourn, the many victims of the War On Smoking. Let us take a few moments of quiet contemplation to commemorate the ultimate sacrifice that was made by them, for the benefit of mankind. Some of their names will not be known to the current generation, since their demise happened many years ago, but most shared our lives until recently, and just a few are with us still, but not for much longer. Let us at this time speak together their names, that their memory may be carried forth to future generations who will otherwise not know of them. 

Let us remember Truth, Justice, Fairness, Goodness, Compassion, Logic, Honesty, Tolerance, Humanity, Good Sense, Forbearance, Empathy, Virtue, Perspicacity, Clarity, Simplicity, Decency, Morality, Integrity, Rectitude, Veracity, Honour and Righteousness. 

Let us remember Freedom; of Choice, of Expression, of Speech, of Thought, of Science, and of Information. 

And, as we humbly remember their names, let us also remember that those who sought in the past to erase their memory have almost always themselves been brought to account – usually violently, and with much rejoicing! 

[angryoldgit]

This is an extract from a guest posting on my blog at geoffcliff.blogspot.com. It gives a non-smoker's, non-vapers point of view on the anti-e-cig debate. Highly recommended!


"Throughout my life I have always been anti smoking and I was really pleased that my husband had found an alternative to smoking that is socially acceptable - or so we thought. Now it seems that Wales could be the first part of the UK to ban the use of electronic cigarettes in enclosed public places. Ministers say they are responding to concern that the devices normalise smoking and so undermine the smoking ban. Ministers also argue that children could be tempted to try them, which may then lead them to cigarette smoking.



For years now smokers have been told about the dangers of smoking (whilst the government carry on reaping the tax benefits). Now that a successful aid to help smokers quit has been found, Welsh ministers want it banned in enclosed public places. I feel this is a real slap in the face to smokers who have quit smoking. Rather than implement this ban, ministers should applaud smokers for giving up smoking and just let them get on with their smoke free lives.
"

[djs]

Bumping this as part no.2 will be on tonight.

This might potentially be the day we hear BAT announce they are really the good guys with their harm reduction product.

The same product that did 97 puffs for one vaper.

97 puffs. That is quite an achievement.