St Austell Brewery bans Vaping

[angryoldgit]

The following post has been added to the Facebook pages for St Austell Brewery and the Harbour Inn at Porthleven.
Others may wish to comment!


Dear Sirs, I love your pubs. Let me make that clear from the start. One of my favourites is the Harbour Inn at Porthleven. I was there tonight with family who were visiting from the Midlands. Unfortunately, my visit was spoiled by two factors that may make me question whether I shall go there again. The first is that I was unable to converse with my family due to the excessive volume of the televised football. I am not a lover of football, but I don't mind others enjoying it. However, I understand that there are stadia where people can go to watch it. I choose not to do so, since I much prefer a quiet pint of your excellent produce. I do have a taste however for nicotine. I no longer smoke, for I understand that it is bad for me, and might be harmful to others. Instead, I 'vape', that is I use an electronic cigarette, which does me no harm, and is considered harmless to others. But I understand that you have chosen to ban vaping in all of your houses. I accept that it is your right and privilege to do so, but I question your wisdom. Denying me the right to carry out a legal and harmless pursuit is a dangerous bow to the forces who seek to remove my choices. Where the law requires me to desist from an activity, I obey as a dutiful citizen, but when I am denied the opportunity to carry out a legitimate pastime, I am prepared to fight back. Since you have put this ban in place I am sorry to inform you that I shall not be frequenting your premises again as long as this ban stays in force. I sincerely hope that many others will follow my example, and if the Harbour Inn should become one of the 30-odd pubs closing each week, it will be a sad loss to Porthleven, and, I trust, to Cornwall as a whole. Thank you for your attention.

[amygx]

How do they feel about Nicorette Inhalators and QuickMist devices?, wouldn't want people inhaling NICOTINE from those and then spreading it through the air to others via their breath now would we.

[zeldamum]

angryoldgit half the pubs in Camborne have banned Vaping as well!

Just in case you didn't already know there is a vape meet at The Royal Inn near Par train station today from 12.

[Greg]

As you say it's the pubs right to do so end of. The pub is doing what it feels is best for it's business, it's there to make money after all and needs to consider it's clientele not just you. It is of course also your right to no longer frequent the establishment. I'd think the majority of customers are non vapers and they could feel quite perturbed to see people vaping and they may chose to leave and not return as a result. Have you considered the pub may have had more complaints from non vapers than requests to vape.
I find it unbelievable that some vapers see it as there given right to vape wherever and whenever they chose, I don't think this does vaping in general any good at all.
As with most things in life we should respect the wishes of others and show some consideration for their rights too.

[Deleted]

So many pubs and coffee houses (first preference personally) have banned vaping in the Deen. Doesn't bother me

Just go armed with vape cards for the analog smokers and spread the word. Bothered me at one time. Doesn't anymore

[angryoldgit]

Aug 31, 2014 8:11:10 GMT Greg said:

I find it unbelievable that some vapers see it as there given right to vape wherever and whenever they chose, I don't think this does vaping in general any good at all.
As with most things in life we should respect the wishes of others and show some consideration for their rights too.

So if the brewery decided to prohibit, say, the wearing of perfume or after-shave, or blue apparel, or brown shoes you would not think it a problem? Or if they decided to prohibit the holding of hands, or kissing? I have a right to ask an establishment to consider whether they are acting fairly and within the law. I said that it is their right to prohibit any act, but they should be able to justify their prohibition. In this case, the law took away their right to choose whether to allow smoking on the premises (which they had formerly accepted happily), but no law requires them to ban vaping. Therefore I feel that they need to state the ground on which they have imposed their ban. It cannot be to protect the health of their patrons, since there is absolutely no harm attributable to vaping, so they, like me, appear to be victims of an ideological crusade against free choice. That is my view.

[Greg]

Aug 31, 2014 10:06:44 GMT angryoldgit said:

Aug 31, 2014 8:11:10 GMT Greg said:

I find it unbelievable that some vapers see it as there given right to vape wherever and whenever they chose, I don't think this does vaping in general any good at all.
As with most things in life we should respect the wishes of others and show some consideration for their rights too.

So if the brewery decided to prohibit, say, the wearing of perfume or after-shave, or blue apparel, or brown shoes you would not think it a problem? Or if they decided to prohibit the holding of hands, or kissing? I have a right to ask an establishment to consider whether they are acting fairly and within the law. I said that it is their right to prohibit any act, but they should be able to justify their prohibition. In this case, the law took away their right to choose whether to allow smoking on the premises (which they had formerly accepted happily), but no law requires them to ban vaping. Therefore I feel that they need to state the ground on which they have imposed their ban. It cannot be to protect the health of their patrons, since there is absolutely no harm attributable to vaping, so they, like me, appear to be victims of an ideological crusade against free choice. That is my view.

There's plenty of pubs in Glasgow than frown on blue apparel 
Joking aside i don't think anyone would not go to a pub because others were wearing perfume, if perfume was banned likely quite a lot would go elsewhere.
pubs and other establishments have to abide by the law but can also introduce there own rules which you are obligated o obey should you choice to use there services.
Some pubs don't allow children in there pubs even on a Sunday for lunch, there's no law banning kids from eating in a pub but choice to enforce this rule on their premises.
i love these pubs as I don't have kids and can't be doing with there crying and screaming, but for those with kids I understand they would be most put out to be turned away.
its not unreasonable for you to ask them why and maybe they will explain but they don't have to justify it or enter an argument if you disagree.
like I said, their business their rules, take it or go elsewhere 

[Perpetua]

It's a knee jerk reaction to the negative publicity that surrounds ecigs/vaping in general . . . a great pity as allowing the use of them would give Public Houses a means to partly combat the Smoking Ban, for those of us that enjoy a drinkie and some nicotine.

What do you do, their establishments/their rules . . . as frustrating as it is.

[prr]

Greg I agree with both points of view on this issue, personally my local asked my friend and I to vape outside, which is their right. I hasten to add that when we meet up 3 or 4 times a week for a coupleof pints apiece we do so at a quiet time of day, so as you suggested we voted with our feet and took our overdrafts to another nice pub 50 yards up the road.

[Q]

Aug 30, 2014 21:42:33 GMT angryoldgit said:

The following post has been added to the Facebook pages for St Austell Brewery and the Harbour Inn at Porthleven.
Others may wish to comment!


Dear Sirs, I love your pubs. Let me make that clear from the start. One of my favourites is the Harbour Inn at Porthleven. I was there tonight with family who were visiting from the Midlands. Unfortunately, my visit was spoiled by two factors that may make me question whether I shall go there again. The first is that I was unable to converse with my family due to the excessive volume of the televised football. I am not a lover of football, but I don't mind others enjoying it. However, I understand that there are stadia where people can go to watch it. I choose not to do so, since I much prefer a quiet pint of your excellent produce. I do have a taste however for nicotine. I no longer smoke, for I understand that it is bad for me, and might be harmful to others. Instead, I 'vape', that is I use an electronic cigarette, which does me no harm, and is considered harmless to others. But I understand that you have chosen to ban vaping in all of your houses. I accept that it is your right and privilege to do so, but I question your wisdom. Denying me the right to carry out a legal and harmless pursuit is a dangerous bow to the forces who seek to remove my choices. Where the law requires me to desist from an activity, I obey as a dutiful citizen, but when I am denied the opportunity to carry out a legitimate pastime, I am prepared to fight back. Since you have put this ban in place I am sorry to inform you that I shall not be frequenting your premises again as long as this ban stays in force. I sincerely hope that many others will follow my example, and if the Harbour Inn should become one of the 30-odd pubs closing each week, it will be a sad loss to Porthleven, and, I trust, to Cornwall as a whole. Thank you for your attention.

So... reading their notice I should be able to vape my 0mg Afrodiziac in their pub, after all it doesn't contain ANY nicotine

[Q]

I have just checked facebook for St Austell brewery and Harbour Inn and cant find any trace of this notice, has it been removed or am I looking in the wrong place angryoldgit

[toots]

Aug 31, 2014 11:32:51 GMT Perpetua said:

It's a knee jerk reaction to the negative publicity that surrounds ecigs/vaping in general . . . a great pity as allowing the use of them would give Public Houses a means to partly combat the Smoking Ban, for those of us that enjoy a drinkie and some nicotine.

What do you do, their establishments/their rules . . . as frustrating as it is.

Yes, I don't think there would be all these bans going on if it wasn't for the negative publicity. Due to all that publicity I can see both points of views.

We know that the vapour does not harm bystanders as we are so involved with vaping that we have done our research, but others just listen to the media and you can't really blame them for that, I mean the media have shoved so much carp about e-cigs in your face over the last year or two that it's no wonder some people are adopting a banning policy for their businesses.

[Cousin Itt]

If the majority of customers don`t vape and I owned the pub I would stop the minority from vaping if it put off the majority of my customers . Harmless or not would make no difference . A pubs a business and I would do what ever kept most people happy and the tills ringing.

[Greg]

Aug 31, 2014 12:55:52 GMT Cousin Itt said:

If the majority of customers don`t vape and I owned the pub I would stop the minority from vaping if it put off the majority of my customers . Harmless or not would make no difference . A pubs a business and I would do what ever kept most people happy and the tills ringing.

Hit nail head 

[Q]

or as my son used to say "hit the nail on the hammer"