Bulk nicotine

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Total contradiction to what's freely available on the net m8, Nic stored in Amber bottles in the freezer does not degrade, and is specifically used to store Nic longer than 2 yrs ( this is not just hear say, but from chemists and folk that have carried out actual research.

As for being available freely, it could quite easily become unavailable next year! So I am future proofing being able to happily Vape for years to come.

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Dec 16, 2014 18:06:15 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Why buy so much, nicotine will degrade over time even if kept in the freezer, slower granted, but it will still degrade. Stocks aren't going to run out any time soon and there is nothing in the pipeline that says that it's going to be banned - only nic base with a nic content of +7.2% (72mg) requires a chemical license to purchase. I'm just curious that's all, each to their own

Considering I have stated I have now purchased the nicotine what are to gain by stating it will degrade? 

I will not answer to why as you seem to be another know it all so should know why.

[Perpetua]

Dec 16, 2014 18:06:15 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Why buy so much, nicotine will degrade over time even if kept in the freezer, slower granted, but it will still degrade.

The consensus of informed thinking which I've no reason to doubt is that it will keep indefinitely if stored in the freezer decanted into glass bottles, amber preferably *-SARIN-*. I'm using Nic Base which is over 3 years old which has been stored in this way, with no hint whatsoever of any degradation.

I can only speak for myself, but it makes perfect sense for me to safeguard my vaping future by having a few litres of base in all bought when there's been some jolly good offers going. I've certainly enjoyed the Shopping Opportunities if nothing else.

Dec 17, 2014 0:32:15 GMT @letsavit said:

Considering I have stated I have now purchased the nicotine what are to gain by stating it will degrade?

I will not answer to why as you seem to be another know it all so should know why.

Chill please @letsavit it's the season of goodwill, everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it in a polite fashion, which *-SARIN-* has.

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it will keep indefinitely if stored in the freezer decanted into glass bottles, amber preferably

Can I ask why glass and amber coloured makes a difference?

While I am not entirely convinced the light goes off in a fridge (and I am still going through some rigorous testing). A freezer will be dark?

Nick

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Dec 17, 2014 5:12:05 GMT Perpetua said:

Dec 16, 2014 18:06:15 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Why buy so much, nicotine will degrade over time even if kept in the freezer, slower granted, but it will still degrade.

The consensus of informed thinking which I've no reason to doubt is that it will keep indefinitely if stored in the freezer decanted into glass bottles, amber preferably *-SARIN-*. I'm using Nic Base which is over 3 years old which has been stored in this way, with no hint whatsoever of any degradation.

I can only speak for myself, but it makes perfect sense for me to safeguard my vaping future by having a few litres of base in all bought when there's been some jolly good offers going. I've certainly enjoyed the Shopping Opportunities if nothing else.

Dec 17, 2014 0:32:15 GMT @letsavit said:

Considering I have stated I have now purchased the nicotine what are to gain by stating it will degrade?

I will not answer to why as you seem to be another know it all so should know why.

Chill please @letsavit it's the season of goodwill, everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it in a polite fashion, which *-SARIN-* has.

It was a question regarding my purchase followed by a statement more than an opinion, what I was I suppose to say, I'm stupid?

But yes I had a terrible day at work yesterday and was sarcastic in my reply and for that I will apologise.

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Dec 16, 2014 18:06:15 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Why buy so much, nicotine will degrade over time even if kept in the freezer, slower granted, but it will still degrade. Stocks aren't going to run out any time soon and there is nothing in the pipeline that says that it's going to be banned - only nic base with a nic content of +7.2% (72mg) requires a chemical license to purchase. I'm just curious that's all, each to their own

Sorry for my sarcastic reply Sarin.

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Dec 17, 2014 8:14:36 GMT @kopiert said:

it will keep indefinitely if stored in the freezer decanted into glass bottles, amber preferably

Can I ask why glass and amber coloured makes a difference?

While I am not entirely convinced the light goes off in a fridge (and I am still going through some rigorous testing). A freezer will be dark?

Nick

Glass is thought to be better for long term storage ie freezer as the plastic bottles may leach chemicals, and the Amber colour is to reduce light, but should make no difference in freezer, unless the lights on lol.

[*-SARIN-*]

@letsavit It's all good mate.

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Dec 16, 2014 18:41:00 GMT car147 said:

Total contradiction to what's freely available on the net m8, Nic stored in Amber bottles in the freezer does not degrade, and is specifically used to store Nic longer than 2 yrs ( this is not just hear say, but from chemists and folk that have carried out actual research.

As for being available freely, it could quite easily become unavailable next year! So I am future proofing being able to happily Vape for years to come.

Ah but you see,  Nicotine WILL NOT degrade if it is 100% pure and nitrogen sealed in dark glass bottles and kept at a low temperature, i agree with that because that's how professional labs keep it.  I suppose that the majority of us could accomplish two of those important criteria. 

Once you add other chemicals into the bottle and can't remove all the oxygen then degradation occurs.  At what rate and the effect i do not know but it does degrade if you keep it in your freezer just like most people do.  Oxygen is not nicotines friend, it converts it to nicotine oxide in an oxidation reaction and nicotine oxide being a charged molecule has free electrons, this is why the colour change happens (free electron movement between the atomic energy levels). These free electrons can also target other substances in e-liquid such as flavours which change their chemical structure, this is the reason why e-liquid has a shelf life.

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Dec 17, 2014 16:13:50 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Dec 16, 2014 18:41:00 GMT car147 said:

Total contradiction to what's freely available on the net m8, Nic stored in Amber bottles in the freezer does not degrade, and is specifically used to store Nic longer than 2 yrs ( this is not just hear say, but from chemists and folk that have carried out actual research.

As for being available freely, it could quite easily become unavailable next year! So I am future proofing being able to happily Vape for years to come.

Ah but you see,  Nicotine WILL NOT degrade if it is 100% pure and nitrogen sealed in dark glass bottles and kept at a low temperature, i agree with that because that's how professional labs keep it.  I suppose that the majority of us could accomplish two of those important criteria. 

Once you add other chemicals into the bottle and can't remove all the oxygen then degradation occurs.  At what rate and the effect i do not know but it does degrade if you keep it in your freezer just like most people do.  Oxygen is not nicotines friend, it converts it to nicotine oxide in an oxidation reaction and nicotine oxide being a charged molecule has free electrons, this is why the colour change happens (free electron movement between the atomic energy levels). These free electrons can also target other substances in e-liquid such as flavours which change their chemical structure, this is the reason why e-liquid has a shelf life.

Way above my head. Come on Sarin, cough up mate......what do you do what do you know?  

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Dec 17, 2014 16:13:50 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Dec 16, 2014 18:41:00 GMT car147 said:

Total contradiction to what's freely available on the net m8, Nic stored in Amber bottles in the freezer does not degrade, and is specifically used to store Nic longer than 2 yrs ( this is not just hear say, but from chemists and folk that have carried out actual research.

As for being available freely, it could quite easily become unavailable next year! So I am future proofing being able to happily Vape for years to come.

Ah but you see,  Nicotine WILL NOT degrade if it is 100% pure and nitrogen sealed in dark glass bottles and kept at a low temperature, i agree with that because that's how professional labs keep it.  I suppose that the majority of us could accomplish two of those important criteria. 

Once you add other chemicals into the bottle and can't remove all the oxygen then degradation occurs.  At what rate and the effect i do not know but it does degrade if you keep it in your freezer just like most people do.  Oxygen is not nicotines friend, it converts it to nicotine oxide in an oxidation reaction and nicotine oxide being a charged molecule has free electrons, this is why the colour change happens (free electron movement between the atomic energy levels). These free electrons can also target other substances in e-liquid such as flavours which change their chemical structure, this is the reason why e-liquid has a shelf life.

You obvoiusly know more than your letting on m8, but I am happier building up a stock of Nic and storing it as I have done than leaving it in a cupboard in a plastic bottle, each to their own I guess.

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Dec 17, 2014 16:34:46 GMT @letsavit said:

Dec 17, 2014 16:13:50 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Ah but you see,  Nicotine WILL NOT degrade if it is 100% pure and nitrogen sealed in dark glass bottles and kept at a low temperature, i agree with that because that's how professional labs keep it.  I suppose that the majority of us could accomplish two of those important criteria. 

Once you add other chemicals into the bottle and can't remove all the oxygen then degradation occurs.  At what rate and the effect i do not know but it does degrade if you keep it in your freezer just like most people do.  Oxygen is not nicotines friend, it converts it to nicotine oxide in an oxidation reaction and nicotine oxide being a charged molecule has free electrons, this is why the colour change happens (free electron movement between the atomic energy levels). These free electrons can also target other substances in e-liquid such as flavours which change their chemical structure, this is the reason why e-liquid has a shelf life.

Way above my head. Come on Sarin, cough up mate......what do you do what do you know?  

I'm a trained molecular chemist but the issue really is with the oxygen either from air trapped in the bottle or through energy put into the chemical system via light (UV) breaking down the PG, which unfortunately being an organic compound has oxygen in it's make up.  It's fine normally because the oxygen in the PG is attached to a hydrogen, making a diol (O-H) and will not compete for the nicotine but if you add energy into the system the one single covalent bond between the oxygen and the hydrogen can be broken and you have the issue of the spare oxygen running around causing issues again.  This is the reason to keep the nic base in dark amber bottles.  The same reason that nic is kept nitrogen sealed in labs. so there are no spare oxygen atoms. 

It a complex subject and that is why there is a lot of misunderstood information on the net.  I'm not saying for a minute that the nic you have bought will "go off" and be useless by the time that you come to use it but it won't be the same as when you bought it fresh.  You can still use it even if some of the nic has oxidised to nicotine oxide but the nicotinic recpetors in your body cannot ulitlise it in the same way as nicotine.

If people want i can draw some diagrams explaining it better but to be fair it's fairly complex and i find it really boring

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Dec 17, 2014 16:53:33 GMT car147 said:

Dec 17, 2014 16:13:50 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Ah but you see,  Nicotine WILL NOT degrade if it is 100% pure and nitrogen sealed in dark glass bottles and kept at a low temperature, i agree with that because that's how professional labs keep it.  I suppose that the majority of us could accomplish two of those important criteria. 

Once you add other chemicals into the bottle and can't remove all the oxygen then degradation occurs.  At what rate and the effect i do not know but it does degrade if you keep it in your freezer just like most people do.  Oxygen is not nicotines friend, it converts it to nicotine oxide in an oxidation reaction and nicotine oxide being a charged molecule has free electrons, this is why the colour change happens (free electron movement between the atomic energy levels). These free electrons can also target other substances in e-liquid such as flavours which change their chemical structure, this is the reason why e-liquid has a shelf life.

You obvoiusly know more than your letting on m8, but I am happier building up a stock of Nic and storing it as I have done than leaving it in a cupboard in a plastic bottle, each to their own I guess.

No exactly mate and i can see why people are doing it, like i said in my reply to letsaveit above, it won't do any harm even if it does degrade a bit and yes what you are doing is the best way of preserving it for as long as possible.  It's never normally a problem because you could get through a litre in a couple of years.

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Dec 17, 2014 8:14:36 GMT @kopiert said:

it will keep indefinitely if stored in the freezer decanted into glass bottles, amber preferably

Can I ask why glass and amber coloured makes a difference?

While I am not entirely convinced the light goes off in a fridge (and I am still going through some rigorous testing). A freezer will be dark?

Nick

There's only one way to find out nick - put a small child in there. One that can communicate of course.

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Cheers for the info Sarin, the only problem I may have is we are also cutting our Nic consumption having started at 18mg, now down to 10mg on recent mixes. Not too worried about it degrading slightly, as long as it does not go bad .

Thanks