Coil-less tank, possible?

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Jan 22, 2015 0:44:52 GMT amygx said:

So how does heating ceramic work, is it wire encased in ceramic?.

What if you hide the coil away in a sealed chamber (obviously with some ventilation) but use the coil to heat a small rod the wick is placed through, much easier to clean, maintain and change the wick.



Shoud we be filing patents

lose the wick, change the rod to a chimney and bring it down into the well (chamber) heat the well, ie coil on the outside. As the well empties it will allow more jiuce to flow in.... 

[keepitgoin]

Nope I don't think this IS far fetched, Regulated MODs have come a long way in the 18 months I've been Vaping, Tanks have improved, wicking materials seem to be endless so the next thing probably will be the way juice is Vapourised. Ceramic seems reasonable to me, it's stable if a little Brittle, and is already used in some Devices, all be it with a Coil and wick.

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The stoners are ahead of us, look at some of thier gear for inspiration.

[amygx]

Jan 22, 2015 0:48:14 GMT Ripshod said:

Ceramic based semiconductors, no wires other than the connections. So nice even heat, no hot-spots, VERY efficient, and from what I can see good heat density. Something like this wrapped with a nickel wire for temperature measurement.

A slot along the top for the vapour to escape, wick through the centre, either silica, cotton or rayon.

Are we getting too complex here?

I don't know about complexity lol.  I'm not even mechanically minded I'm just throwing ideas around my head like you say

When you turn off the power doesn't ceramic stay heated for a length of time afterwards though?,  like a ceramic room heater does,  ceramic stores the heat which could cause problems.  OR possibly because you're not throwing a lot of power in to it and only for a few seconds it wouldn't stay heated.

I suppose if you made the ceramic small enough and thin enough it would heat up quick enough using the battery to produce the vapour we need,  the bigger it is the longer it would take right.

[decoy]

Jan 22, 2015 0:56:23 GMT @letsavit said:

The stoners are ahead of us, look at some of thier gear for inspiration.

oil vaporizers can hit 430deg so that should vaporize juice

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First time I vaporises something for inhalation the device had no wick, no coil and had temp control....! And that was quite a few years ago.

The tech is here now but who's going front the money for a bunch of engineers to design it and then take to manufacture when no ones knows the future of vaping, If I had the money I wouldn't

[Ripshod]

Jan 22, 2015 0:59:27 GMT amygx said:

I suppose if you made the ceramic small enough and thin enough it would heat up quick enough using the battery to produce the vapour we need,  the bigger it is the longer it would take right.

That's what I was thinking. The traditional ceramic heaters have an ultrathin aluminium element buried in the ceramic. We've already seen some of these in use as a form of disc, can't remeber the atty, may have been for stoners.But there's been a lot of advancement in the last couple of years, where the ceramic itself is a semiconductor, so it makes the heat directly. Supposed to be pretty tough too.

I'll be at the uni in the morning dropping a couple of guys off, good change to use the reference library.

Jan 22, 2015 1:04:35 GMT @letsavit said:

First time I vaporises something for inhalation the device had no wick, no coil and had temp control....! And that was quite a few years ago.

That's what I'm talking, just done as a semiconductor

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Ripshod

Heating the juice with the least direct contact to the heat source is the way to go. Ie as you said a element and disc. IMHO 


Go design/make something, that would be pretty cool.....a dripper would be the easist to start with I guess. 

[amygx]

Jan 22, 2015 1:05:09 GMT Ripshod said:

Jan 22, 2015 0:59:27 GMT amygx said:

I suppose if you made the ceramic small enough and thin enough it would heat up quick enough using the battery to produce the vapour we need,  the bigger it is the longer it would take right.

That's what I was thinking. The traditional ceramic heaters have an ultrathin aluminium element buried in the ceramic. We've already seen some of these in use as a form of disc, can't remeber the atty, may have been for stoners.But there's been a lot of advancement in the last couple of years, where the ceramic itself is a semiconductor, so it makes the heat directly. Supposed to be pretty tough too.

I'll be at the uni in the morning dropping a couple of guys off, good change to use the reference library.

Jan 22, 2015 1:04:35 GMT @letsavit said:

First time I vaporises something for inhalation the device had no wick, no coil and had temp control....! And that was quite a few years ago.

That's what I'm talking, just done as a semiconductor

I just found these vaping donuts,  are these what you were on about?

www.fatdaddyvapes.com/shop.html

Here's a guy reviewing them:




Seems to be on the right track with the ceramic but I'm sure even something like that could be innovated further.

Get rid of the legs/wires,  create a base with the "coil" already built in and just have the solder/connector points on the base of the donut and have a click and load system for easy installation and changing of just the donut:

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Jan 22, 2015 0:26:19 GMT decoy said:

Jan 21, 2015 23:32:07 GMT keepitgoin said:

There are quite a few Vapourisers on the Market for Dry Herbs, but they just Super Heat a Chamber that the Dry Herbs are placed in, not sure if Nicotine comes in a Dry Form, oh yeah....... Tobacco!

www.davincivaporizer.com/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci/
its a dry and wet vaporizer ;p

So your friend that's got one of these..! has he tried e juice in it? 

Any pics of the guts of it, how it does it, what it uses? 

[igual]

Assuming vaping survives big t&p onslaught + corrupt government.
Then I think we will see materials such as carbon nanotubes and graphene being used.
From what I know they can essentially print nanotubes onto fabric which heats up when a current is applied.
Now if they put that inside a ceramic donut/disc could be interesting.
Some great ideas already peeps.
So what are we calling the company
AAEC design & holdings Ltd .

[osdset]

Jan 22, 2015 0:20:33 GMT amygx said:

Would I be correct in saying that the main reason for replacing coils is because they get gunked up with juice residue?

So it would be better to come up with to vaporising the juice without it coming in to contact with the coil. LOL I was about to say can't we coat them in non-stick paint type stuff but it would probably just burn off.

What about wrapping the coil around a tube containing the wick so the juice can't gunk it up ???



Not innovative or different from using coils but possibly more efficient I don't know, possibly interfere with the resistance levels.

A coil on Stainless Steel mesh is more or less the same thing, without the need for for an extra wick.

[osdset]

I have a mate that designs high powered laser display systems, he can write your name on a cloud and keep it there while the laser tracks the cloud!

After a protracted discussion between yours truly and said mad scientist in the local watering hole about vaping, he has decided to take on the task of designing a portable highly efficient and more importantly, low current, laser based vaping system.

It seems I am to be the crash test dummy for this hair brained scheme as he does not smoke, if you lot read about some hapless chap that bored a perfect .2mm hole through his skull while trying to take a quick puff on a light sabre.................... it's me.

[decoy]

Jan 22, 2015 7:24:50 GMT osdset said:

I have a mate that designs high powered laser display systems, he can write your name on a cloud and keep it there while the laser tracks the cloud!

After a protracted discussion between yours truly and said mad scientist in the local watering hole about vaping, he has decided to take on the task of designing a portable highly efficient and more importantly, low current, laser based vaping system.

It seems I am to be the crash test dummy for this hair brained scheme as he does not smoke, if you lot read about some hapless chap that bored a perfect .2mm hole through his skull while trying to take a quick puff on a light sabre.................... it's me.

lmao
but its a ruddy good idear apart from one small prob
joe public 
if joe can blow up batts by using the wrong charger how long till he cuts a digit off with the lazer
i can see the head line now in the sunday sport lol

[osdset]

Jan 22, 2015 9:06:37 GMT decoy said:

Jan 22, 2015 7:24:50 GMT osdset said:

I have a mate that designs high powered laser display systems, he can write your name on a cloud and keep it there while the laser tracks the cloud!

After a protracted discussion between yours truly and said mad scientist in the local watering hole about vaping, he has decided to take on the task of designing a portable highly efficient and more importantly, low current, laser based vaping system.

It seems I am to be the crash test dummy for this hair brained scheme as he does not smoke, if you lot read about some hapless chap that bored a perfect .2mm hole through his skull while trying to take a quick puff on a light sabre.................... it's me.

lmao
but its a ruddy good idear apart from one small prob
joe public 
if joe can blow up batts by using the wrong charger how long till he cuts a digit off with the lazer
i can see the head line now in the sunday sport lol

Of course, I can't see this project ever leaving the runway. It's an interesting idea that unfortunately has too much potential for disaster IMO, notwithstanding the technical difficulties.

I suppose it will stop him making mischief elsewhere for a while, however he has come up with a few interesting ideas that aren't laser related that I think might fly in the future.