Coil-less tank, possible?

[amygx]

There's been loads of battery mods becoming available over the last year or so with what seems to be a lot of money and development put behind them..

Lots of innovation for the batteries but what about the tanks,  from what I can gather everything has always used two things - a coil and a wick.  Is there not such a thing as a coil-less tank?

I was just thinking would they be able to innovate on this standard,  how could they do it,  another way of vaporising juice that doesn't use coils (or maybe not even use wicks) must be out there somewhere.

Would Nebulizer technology be a viable idea? - not sure if it uses a heating coil though.



I wonder has anyone ever tries using something like that just to be adventurous lol 



Just a general brain storm thread really,  does anyone know if it would be possible without a wick and coil?

[OneDay]

There have been various attempts at ceramic wicks and stainless steel mesh is used extensively in Genesis type atties.

I'm not aware of any viable replacement for the coil though ???

[Bobsbeer]

Interesting, but the ejuice would have to change.

[Ripshod]

Those nebulizers use ultrasound to produce the vapour. PG would require a lot of power to get the same effect. Add VG and you're talking colossal power. I don't think peeps want to carry a car batteriy around.

However if water is used as the base (not too sure about water solubility of nicotine) then something like this would be very attractive. With no flavour you'll be vaping your nic, which will undeniably be just nicotine and water, and nothing visible ehaled so it won't look like smoking (killing the 'normalising' argument). Wonder if this is actually in development - it should be.

ETA: Was it pbusardo did a wind-up about a coilless device? I was wondering about ultrasound then.

[keepitgoin]

There are quite a few Vapourisers on the Market for Dry Herbs, but they just Super Heat a Chamber that the Dry Herbs are placed in, not sure if Nicotine comes in a Dry Form, oh yeah....... Tobacco!

[*-SARIN-*]

Ripshod, nicotine is an oily substance and not soluble in water, only alcohols, or numerous other solvents. This is the reason that e-liquid uses PG or VG, they are a diol or polyol (alcohols) respectively, however they can be miscible at certain temp ranges.

[Ripshod]

Jan 21, 2015 23:37:59 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Ripshod, nicotine is an oily substance and not soluble in water, only alcohols, or numerous other solvents. This is the reason that e-liquid uses PG or VG, they are a diol or polyol (alcohols) respectively, however they can be miscible at certain temp ranges.

Made me think emulsion for a second then, then I realised what I was thinking. Vape on I say

Alcohol is definitely out 

[thatguy]

There are many technologies available for heating in the present day.

1. Light based - laser requires too much power and is notoriously difficult to calibrate, especially as laser hrdware doesn't age particularly well (as anyone who has used a laser cutter over a few years)

2. Microwave- Very power hungry

3. Electric - Our curent coil tech

4. Ultrasonic - an area I'm not overly familiar with but I believe the power requirements would be huge for pg/vg bases.

5. Magnetic - Of all the techs I can think of this one holds the most promise, but may still have issues with gunking.


Perhaps what we should be looking at is better wicks and coils rather than a totally new technology.

[VapingBad]

I did see months ago on Daves Tackle Box on VTTV a croudfunded project to make an all in one vaporiser using electro magnetic induction (like induction hobs) to heat a steel wick. So the wick would heated directly and not be connected electrically.

[amygx]

Would I be correct in saying that the main reason for replacing coils is because they get gunked up with juice residue?

So it would be better to come up with to vaporising the juice without it coming in to contact with the coil. LOL I was about to say can't we coat them in non-stick paint type stuff but it would probably just burn off.

What about wrapping the coil around a tube containing the wick so the juice can't gunk it up ???



Not innovative or different from using coils but possibly more efficient I don't know, possibly interfere with the resistance levels.

[decoy]

Jan 21, 2015 23:32:07 GMT keepitgoin said:

There are quite a few Vapourisers on the Market for Dry Herbs, but they just Super Heat a Chamber that the Dry Herbs are placed in, not sure if Nicotine comes in a Dry Form, oh yeah....... Tobacco!

www.davincivaporizer.com/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci/
its a dry and wet vaporizer ;p

[Ripshod]

Jan 22, 2015 0:20:33 GMT amygx said:

Would I be correct in saying that the main reason for replacing coils is because they get gunked up with juice residue?

So it would be better to come up with to vaporising the juice without it coming in to contact with the coil. LOL I was about to say can't we coat them in non-stick paint type stuff but it would probably just burn off.

What about wrapping the coil around a tube containing the wick so the juice can't gunk it up ???



Not innovative or different from using coils but possibly more efficient I don't know, possibly interfere with the resistance levels.

Maybe better with a ceramic tube? A metal tube would just take too long to heat up enough to evaporate the tube. Then again, ceramic would too.

Keep it up tho, if we keep bouncing ideas one of them might stick and make us a fortune. If the chinese don't get there first. Ceramic semiconductors anyone?

[Ripshod]

Actually something like that can't be far away.


These are big ones for air and water heating. A little miniturisation shouldn't be too hard. mmmm, needs some research but I can see it.

[amygx]

So how does heating ceramic work, is it wire encased in ceramic?.

What if you hide the coil away in a sealed chamber (obviously with some ventilation) but use the coil to heat a small rod the wick is placed through, much easier to clean, maintain and change the wick.



Shoud we be filing patents

[Ripshod]

Ceramic based semiconductors, no wires other than the connections. So nice even heat, no hot-spots, VERY efficient, and from what I can see good heat density. Something like this wrapped with a nickel wire for temperature measurement.

A slot along the top for the vapour to escape, wick through the centre, either silica, cotton or rayon.

Are we getting too complex here?