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Post by robby on Feb 24, 2015 12:26:17 GMT
A major surprise with the first firing, it`s Pulse Width Modulation like the istick etc. I really wasn`t expecting that.
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Post by Bobsbeer on Feb 24, 2015 13:16:18 GMT
Great we might find out what's going on.
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Post by richo71 on Feb 24, 2015 13:36:36 GMT
A major surprise with the first firing, it`s Pulse Width Modulation like the istick etc. I really wasn`t expecting that. Yeah I did suspect as I can hear the rattle snake effect which is the old 333hz, tad on the older side if it is and very surprising
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Post by robby on Feb 24, 2015 13:56:55 GMT
Basically it`s crap This is the mod with a Kanger ST on it trying to get up to 30watts. I would judge the shown wattge readings on the display to be pretty accurate. Draw your own conclusions, gonna fire it up without temp control, I`ve seen elsewhere that it is fine. In NORMAL mode it fires up fine, virtually no ramp up.
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Post by -V- on Feb 24, 2015 14:19:00 GMT
Basically it`s crap This is the mod with a Kanger ST on it trying to get up to 30watts. I would judge the shown wattge readings on the display to be pretty accurate. Draw your own conclusions, gonna fire it up without temp control, I`ve seen elsewhere that it is fine. On the Kanger ST was that nickel or kanthal? Guessing nickel...
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Post by robby on Feb 24, 2015 14:26:43 GMT
Kanthal There is a possible safety issue with this in that it works in normal mode with nickel wire as well. It`s one thing having a nickel coil with temperature control, but nickel will burn and vapourise at high temperatures and I wouldn`t want that stuff in my lungs.
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Post by -V- on Feb 24, 2015 15:11:29 GMT
Looks like Smok messed this one right up Thanks for the work testing this out robby, big fail by smok though
Did you put it on the scope?
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Post by richo71 on Feb 24, 2015 15:57:12 GMT
Kanthal There is a possible safety issue with this in that it works in normal mode with nickel wire as well. It`s one thing having a nickel coil with temperature control, but nickel will burn and vapourise at high temperatures and I wouldn`t want that stuff in my lungs. Thanks for your input robby, and your testing, it is plainly obvious we have a lemon of a TC device and PWM for wattage mode isn't good either.
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Post by robby on Feb 24, 2015 15:58:17 GMT
Yes, I did. It`s PWM so it is hard to make sense of if you dont know about it, but the ramp up appears to be programmed in. The temp control is a total misrepresentation of what it can do, all it does is switch the power off to the atty when it reaches temp. It wont come back on until you release the button and hit it again. -V-
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Post by robby on Feb 24, 2015 15:59:45 GMT
Kanthal There is a possible safety issue with this in that it works in normal mode with nickel wire as well. It`s one thing having a nickel coil with temperature control, but nickel will burn and vapourise at high temperatures and I wouldn`t want that stuff in my lungs. Thanks for your input robby, and your testing, it is plainly obvious we have a lemon of a TC device and PWM for wattage mode isn't good either. It`s a pity, it`s a good looking powerful mod with a great battery. If it hadn`t had TC I may have bought it, but not like this
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Post by Ripshod on Feb 24, 2015 16:07:36 GMT
Just emptied my basket robby. I'm disappointed, I'd have been bitterly disappointed if I'd actually bought it. No software update can change the fact it's PWM (a hardware feature). What gets me is why? With the Xpro's up to this the output is dc. Surely it's easier to do TC with a dc output, evolv did it didn't they??
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Post by robby on Feb 24, 2015 16:13:11 GMT
Just emptied my basket robby. I'm disappointed, I'd have been bitterly disappointed if I'd actually bought it. No software update can change the fact it's PWM (a hardware feature). What gets me is why? With the Xpro's up to this the output is dc. Surely it's easier to do TC with a dc output, evolv did it didn't they?? Yes they did, it`s not even just the software in it though, the temp detection is totally unexplained, it certainly isn`t done through the coil resistance. If it is something else credible , they need to explain it. I am disappointed to, it looked like the best VFM mod ever. The PWM should be fine if it was programmed properly with temp control that works.
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Post by richo71 on Feb 24, 2015 17:31:22 GMT
Just emptied my basket robby. I'm disappointed, I'd have been bitterly disappointed if I'd actually bought it. No software update can change the fact it's PWM (a hardware feature). What gets me is why? With the Xpro's up to this the output is dc. Surely it's easier to do TC with a dc output, evolv did it didn't they?? Yes they did, it`s not even just the software in it though, the temp detection is totally unexplained, it certainly isn`t done through the coil resistance. If it is something else credible , they need to explain it. I am disappointed to, it looked like the best VFM mod ever. The PWM should be fine if it was programmed properly with temp control that works. Yeah, I have quoted as I would buy another one but not now it is PWM, regardless of the battery life, I did wonder as to why it was coming in as cheap as they were, I was guessing around the 70-80 quid mark min really if it actually had the features that Smok Stated.
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Post by dubstuff on Feb 24, 2015 17:35:12 GMT
I still think the m80 plus is a good little 80w mod for the money. The temp control is a bit of a fail but as a 80w mod its fine.I'm just hoping the sx350j is going to work iv already got one on pre order.
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Post by Bobsbeer on Feb 24, 2015 21:37:05 GMT
While I do like the look of this mod, I have decided to cancel my pre order with Heavens Gifts. It seems like this model does not do what is promised and the concept needs time to bed in properly. Shame as I thought that it was going to be a winner.
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