Help with Subtank Nano

[Roscopecotrain]

I got a Subtank Nano from Gearbest this week. Now we have been having all sorts of problems with flavour and vapour from both the stock 1.2 head and i re coiled and re wicked the 0.5 head to a 1.4 head.

No matter what we do i cant seem to get any flavour from it at all and hardly any vapour.
Even CC's mini protanks are putting out a better vape than this Nano.

I thought it might be the head which is why i re coiled the other head but that seems to be just as bad.

On inspection the cotton is fully soaked with juice so plenty getting to the coil. Airflow is fine although super airy for us.
Have used low watts, high watts and everything in between but to no avail.

Any ideas peeps?

Ross.

[Perpetua]

I don't know if this applies to the Nano or not Ros . . . what colour seals are the Nano?

There's a recent thread on here where rednec83 was having similar issues with a Subtank Mini:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/51920/rba-help?page=1

[Roscopecotrain]

Mar 14, 2015 12:18:12 GMT Perpetua said:

I don't know if this applies to the Nano or not Ros . . . what colour seals are the Nano?

There's a recent thread on here where rednec83 was having similar issues with a Subtank Mini:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/51920/rba-help?page=1

Nano has red seals perps. Will have a read of the thread.

[Roscopecotrain]

Mar 14, 2015 12:18:12 GMT Perpetua said:

I don't know if this applies to the Nano or not Ros . . . what colour seals are the Nano?

There's a recent thread on here where rednec83 was having similar issues with a Subtank Mini:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/51920/rba-help?page=1

Ah not quite the same perps. I dont have any funky tastes just no flavour at all and no vapour pretty much.

[Perpetua]

Mar 14, 2015 12:26:51 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

Mar 14, 2015 12:18:12 GMT Perpetua said:

I don't know if this applies to the Nano or not Ros . . . what colour seals are the Nano?

There's a recent thread on here where rednec83 was having similar issues with a Subtank Mini:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/51920/rba-help?page=1

Ah not quite the same perps. I dont have any funky tastes just no flavour at all and no vapour pretty much.

Sorry then Ros . . . that's me all out of ideas, hopefully they'll be someone more knowledgeable than me who can help.

[Roscopecotrain]

Mar 14, 2015 12:28:12 GMT Perpetua said:

Mar 14, 2015 12:26:51 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

Ah not quite the same perps. I dont have any funky tastes just no flavour at all and no vapour pretty much.

Sorry then Ros . . . that's me all out of ideas, hopefully they'll be someone more knowledgeable than me who can help.

Thank you perps. Hopefully someone might have an idea as i am the same as you and all out of them. :confused:

[csmith10]

I tried one of the OCC heads in my subtank mini last night after I managed to kill my RBA section and I can't say I was impressed with the flavour at all! Sorry I can't help but I do at least know where you're coming from.

[Roscopecotrain]

God dam it has just dumped all its juice over my vaporshark with the kanger normal head. This could be a give up and throw out soon. Not good as i got it free for a review lol. Wont be a great review the way things are going.

[Montana]

Mar 14, 2015 11:51:07 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

I got a Subtank Nano from Gearbest this week. Now we have been having all sorts of problems with flavour and vapour from both the stock 1.2 head and i re coiled and re wicked the 0.5 head to a 1.4 head.

No matter what we do i cant seem to get any flavour from it at all and hardly any vapour.
Even CC's mini protanks are putting out a better vape than this Nano.

I thought it might be the head which is why i re coiled the other head but that seems to be just as bad.

On inspection the cotton is fully soaked with juice so plenty getting to the coil. Airflow is fine although super airy for us.
Have used low watts, high watts and everything in between but to no avail.

Any ideas peeps?

Ross.

Hi Roscopecotrain , I've found that when your putting the head back into the base that it needs to be screwed in quite tight for it to get a proper connection.Also , no matter what wire I use I've found ( on my VTR ) that the coil takes a couple of seconds to heat up properly.

Other questions to ask you are the obvious really , but here goes.What coil diameter are you making the coils , what wicking material , are you priming the coil , what VG percentage are you using , etc etc etc.Please forgive me , as asking these questions I feel as though I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs.

I make microcoils on my Nano heads.I wrap 0.3mm ( maximum , as bigger wire seems to be difficult to manoeuvre in the head itself and clip to length ) 4.5 times round a 3mm rod on my Easy Coil.I make sure the coils are close together , but a little bit loose on the rod.Then feed the coil into the head and it gets held in place a the famous blue screwdriver , fold over the legs and put the rubber grommet and metal stopper in place.I don't clip yet , I remove the screwdriver and move the coil so that it's straight and in the middle and make sure that the coil doesn't move out of place while clipping the legs off.Once clipped , I either use my fingernail or a small flat bladed screwdriver to move the clipped legs just under the rubber and metal stopper to make sure I don't get any shorts.Recheck the coil for any movement.Now , I wick with cotton wool , I've tried Muji and other stuff , but I have now moved back to ordinary cheap as chips cotton wool again as I seem to get a lot better and fluffier tails.When doing the cotton , fluffy is good , but still tight in the coil itself.When I cut the ends , I cut with 1mm sticking out of the holes , then use the point of the scissors to fluff out the cut , the gently push the fluff almost level with the outside of the coil head , but still JUST sticking out.
Now I prime the coils , I first prime each of the side holes with several drops of juice , then do the same inside and if necessary repeat on the outside until the wick doesn't take in any more juice.Then screw the head , nice and tight into the base , put it in the rest of the atty and leave for a couple of mins.Then you should be good to vape.

As I said earlier and I don't know if it's the atty or my mod , but when I press the button it's over a second before I get that reassuring hiss of the atty working nicely.Having said that , I do vape at lower watts , normally between 8-10 watts with the lowest airflow too and I also mouth to lung inhale.


I'm very sorry if I've offended anyone here , especially Roscopecotrain .

I'm in two minds to TRY and make a small vid of this , as I have a face for radio and a voice for the deaf.I may start and see how it turns out.



Andy

[mattyjones1977]

I've thrown both of mine in the drawer tbh they were both utter rubbish! way too much hype about how great they are when actually a kayfun clone from fasttech for £12 is infinitely better on flavour and vapour

[Montana]

Having said what I've said above , I use the Nano more out of necessity than choice.Don't get me wrong , the Nano is the best small diameter atty I've used , but it's not as good as the Mini , especially in RBA mode.That's why I'm desperately waiting for the VTR V3  , so I can have a VW device that holds a 22mm atty.No , I don't know if this is going to be done , but I've emailed Innokin a few times and haven't got a reply but hope they are in the process of making it.


I have said in the past that the Nano was better , but I've had problems with wicking materials combined with airflow and most importantly flavour , which the Mini seems to give.Also the Mini is a lot easier to work with , I'm comparing this with a Kayfun V4 clone that I have and have just found the V4 overly complicated and sometimes a PIG to get apart.But there will probably be something just around the corner that will be better still , but that's the nature of atty's at the moment.



Andy

[Roscopecotrain]

Mar 14, 2015 13:23:00 GMT Montana said:

Mar 14, 2015 11:51:07 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

I got a Subtank Nano from Gearbest this week. Now we have been having all sorts of problems with flavour and vapour from both the stock 1.2 head and i re coiled and re wicked the 0.5 head to a 1.4 head.

No matter what we do i cant seem to get any flavour from it at all and hardly any vapour.
Even CC's mini protanks are putting out a better vape than this Nano.

I thought it might be the head which is why i re coiled the other head but that seems to be just as bad.

On inspection the cotton is fully soaked with juice so plenty getting to the coil. Airflow is fine although super airy for us.
Have used low watts, high watts and everything in between but to no avail.

Any ideas peeps?

Ross.

Hi Roscopecotrain , I've found that when your putting the head back into the base that it needs to be screwed in quite tight for it to get a proper connection.Also , no matter what wire I use I've found ( on my VTR ) that the coil takes a couple of seconds to heat up properly.

Other questions to ask you are the obvious really , but here goes.What coil diameter are you making the coils , what wicking material , are you priming the coil , what VG percentage are you using , etc etc etc.Please forgive me , as asking these questions I feel as though I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs.

I make microcoils on my Nano heads.I wrap 0.3mm ( maximum , as bigger wire seems to be difficult to manoeuvre in the head itself and clip to length ) 4.5 times round a 3mm rod on my Easy Coil.I make sure the coils are close together , but a little bit loose on the rod.Then feed the coil into the head and it gets held in place a the famous blue screwdriver , fold over the legs and put the rubber grommet and metal stopper in place.I don't clip yet , I remove the screwdriver and move the coil so that it's straight and in the middle and make sure that the coil doesn't move out of place while clipping the legs off.Once clipped , I either use my fingernail or a small flat bladed screwdriver to move the clipped legs just under the rubber and metal stopper to make sure I don't get any shorts.Recheck the coil for any movement.Now , I wick with cotton wool , I've tried Muji and other stuff , but I have now moved back to ordinary cheap as chips cotton wool again as I seem to get a lot better and fluffier tails.When doing the cotton , fluffy is good , but still tight in the coil itself.When I cut the ends , I cut with 1mm sticking out of the holes , then use the point of the scissors to fluff out the cut , the gently push the fluff almost level with the outside of the coil head , but still JUST sticking out.
Now I prime the coils , I first prime each of the side holes with several drops of juice , then do the same inside and if necessary repeat on the outside until the wick doesn't take in any more juice.Then screw the head , nice and tight into the base , put it in the rest of the atty and leave for a couple of mins.Then you should be good to vape.

As I said earlier and I don't know if it's the atty or my mod , but when I press the button it's over a second before I get that reassuring hiss of the atty working nicely.Having said that , I do vape at lower watts , normally between 8-10 watts with the lowest airflow too and I also mouth to lung inhale.


I'm very sorry if I've offended anyone here , especially Roscopecotrain .

I'm in two minds to TRY and make a small vid of this , as I have a face for radio and a voice for the deaf.I may start and see how it turns out.



Andy

Thanks for all the info montana. Some food for thought def.

I have a screw driver that is just a bit smaller than the wick hole in the head so i used that to make the coil. 5 wraps came in at 1.4 ohms using 0.30 kanthal.
I am using japanese cotton and yes i am priming before hand.

As i said the wick is soaked when i take the head out so plenty of juice getting to the coil. Maybe it is just a case of making sure head is super tight in there.

A video would be spot on mate.

[Montana]

I know that I still get wicking issues , so I hop someone else comes along with some other advice , because I would like to get better flavour and vapour production.

Sometimes it also depends on the juice itself as far as vapour production is concerned to , my ADV doesn't give great vapour production where as others do.

I've also just discovered that drip tip internal bore size makes a difference too , but I have no clue why ?



Andy

[Toondog]

Are you lung hitting? For me subtanks only really produce the goods when you give a good bit welly with lung hits.

Chris

[Roscopecotrain]

Mar 14, 2015 14:05:57 GMT Montana said:

I know that I still get wicking issues , so I hop someone else comes along with some other advice , because I would like to get better flavour and vapour production.

Sometimes it also depends on the juice itself as far as vapour production is concerned to , my ADV doesn't give great vapour production where as others do.

I've also just discovered that drip tip internal bore size makes a difference too , but I have no clue why ?



Andy

I have a smaller drip tip on there as hated the wide bore one.