Food for thought on nickel coils, wicking

[robby]

I dont need pre heat for this setup lol, as soon as I vape, it is there and it is constant. I dont need a warm up puff with this setup. From day one of vaping, flavour and temperature have been my goals and this simple setup and equipment I am using are achieving my Nirvana in vaping. It`s simply a beautiful vape. When this is wicking well at 16 watts (which it always is until it`s starting to dry) the temp never gets near 400F so it isn`t really doing anything but giving me a warning when I need to top up which I can taste anyway. I`ve said this before, but TC really is an excellent way to evaluate your wicking methods. A perfect tool for doing that with a TC mod that actively monitors temperature when vaping. From very early on in my vaping journey I settled on Hangsen Virginia, never tired of it and it`s never altered in basic flavour since I started using it. I`ve never enjoyed the flavour more than I do now on this set up.

[VapingBad]

robby the pre-heat is always on in temp mode on DNA40s even if you don't think you need it you have it. If your coil is taking a noticeable time to get up heat something is wrong with the hardware or a very in-optimal coil geometry which can be fixed, but I would want to know if my device was not working properly. Vapour production at the lower end of the scale is a good check to see if the coil has enough contact area for the power, hence those huge coils I posted on the Orchid, I tried smaller ones but had to go up to 430 to get it to vape well so lost some of the flavour notes in tobacco and the large coils solved the problem and get a cracking vape at 400-410 F.

[robby]

If I dont think I need pre heat, then I dont need it lol, I`ve been vaping a long time now. This all works and works great. I`m not missing any flavour notes as you put it, we`re getting into the realms of wine tasting here. 16 watts is just perfect with this setup for MY TASTES, warm, flavourful and very satisfying. Have you tried this set up? When the triple strand coil was at the right temperature it actually seemed to lose flavour to me, it was certainly muted. We are all different VapingBad. Surely you aren`t really vaping at 430F are you?, that would burn the gob of me

[VapingBad]

Not wine tasting at all and not that subtle robby, I get more aspects of the flavour at 400 F much more like the liquid tastes if you taste a drip on your finger take go at higher temps. I happy that you like the way it's vaping and not said otherwise, but threads are read by more that those who contribute so everyone's experience is valuable and may help others out and there is no need to get defensive. I could have got there faster on some atties if someone had suggested larger coils when the limit is kicking in, it took me quite a lot of try to get the Orchid playing well with the DNA40 and by sharing that I may help someone. Similarly if the coil is slow to heat something is wrong somewhere, fine your happy with that but it may help others toward a better build or spot a faulty board.

The temp limiting is doing more than on shows on the screen, if you turn it off on a wattage level that doesn't register that it goes over target temp you get a different vape, normally cooler as the pre-heat hasn't provided the initial boost and if you don't need pre-heat then you will like it that way just as much.

[robby]

I am not being defensive at all VapingBad. If you say something I dont agree with I will tell you. Personally I dont think the temperature setting has any effect if you are not actually vaping anywhere near that temp and until someone shows me on a scope that it is, it`s all conjecture. I think we should leave this discussion where it is. It`s way off thread topic now.

[VapingBad]

I agree to disagree robby we are going around in circles, I only say what I say here because I am getting a considerably better vape from these and am just enthusiastic for others to be able to enjoy the same experience in the same way you want to tell people about a great bit of music, a restaurant or a book you really enjoyed.

[robby]

What you say is that you THINK you get a considerably better vape, I dont. We are all different VapingBad. I prefer to try and defluff all this technical stuff and explain it in a simple way because the vast majority of vapers dont have the advantage of the knowledge than we may or may not have. I try and explain it in a way that encourages people to have a go and show that it doesn`t have to be that complicated and confusing. This thread started out as a different and possibly easier way to handle nickel coil building. I`m all about encouraging vaping, and that`s it.

[VapingBad]

So much for agree to disagree then robby

[robby]

Well like I said, everyone is different but we all just want a good vape.

[monty]

I like it Robby. I've always liked simple.

Been trying things myself and found for decks with more headroom than floor space, Nickel wire coils can easily be squashed into an oval shape.

[robby]

Apr 26, 2015 21:20:09 GMT monty said:

I like it Robby. I've always liked simple.

Been trying things myself and found for decks with more headroom than floor space, Nickel wire coils can easily be squashed into an oval shape.

It doesn`t have to be that particular tubing, but the tubing wall must be as thin as possible so you can get the wick through it without too much trouble That source was a model maker supplier for model steam engines and the like

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I tried the large dia single strand 0.25mm wire size at 0.2ohm coils as suggested in two atties this evening. Set at 200c (392f) I noticed that pre heat wasn't as evident, it reached set temp quickly but then they both overheated badly with the TP constantly cutting in. It wasn't a very satisfying vape with 'thin' flavour and vapour. Raising the temp adversely effected the flavour

I've just changed back to my usual twisted coils, ribbon and round wire this time, built to just over 0.1ohm. I have no idea why but with the same 200c setting this gives much better flavour, and after the initial much more noticeable power surge of pre heat, a constant wattage throughout the draw.

I think the thin walled tube method of coiling will be a boon for many though, good idea

[robby]

Apr 26, 2015 22:38:35 GMT @scooby said:

I tried the large dia single strand 0.25mm wire size at 0.2ohm coils as suggested in two atties this evening. Set at 200c (392f) I noticed that pre heat wasn't as evident, it reached set temp quickly but then they both overheated badly with the TP constantly cutting in. It wasn't a very satisfying vape with 'thin' flavour and vapour. Raising the temp adversely effected the flavour

I've just changed back to my usual twisted coils, ribbon and round wire this time, built to just over 0.1ohm. I have no idea why but with the same 200c setting this gives much better flavour, and after the initial much more noticeable power surge of pre heat, a constant wattage throughout the draw.

I think the thin walled tube method of coiling will be a boon for many though, good idea

What power were you vaping at @scooby? I dont know what mod you are using, but isn`t that a low temp for TC?

[decoy]

i want my sodding ni 200 wire ,i want to play
if it dont come today vape mesh are in for a pleasant visit from a slightly agitated 6 foot 3 dude
its 46.7 miles from me,not that ive looked it up

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Apr 26, 2015 23:20:34 GMT robby said:

Apr 26, 2015 22:38:35 GMT @scooby said:

I tried the large dia single strand 0.25mm wire size at 0.2ohm coils as suggested in two atties this evening. Set at 200c (392f) I noticed that pre heat wasn't as evident, it reached set temp quickly but then they both overheated badly with the TP constantly cutting in. It wasn't a very satisfying vape with 'thin' flavour and vapour. Raising the temp adversely effected the flavour

I've just changed back to my usual twisted coils, ribbon and round wire this time, built to just over 0.1ohm. I have no idea why but with the same 200c setting this gives much better flavour, and after the initial much more noticeable power surge of pre heat, a constant wattage throughout the draw.

I think the thin walled tube method of coiling will be a boon for many though, good idea

What power were you vaping at @scooby? I dont know what mod you are using, but isn`t that a low temp for TC?

I use a KF4 and SquapeR on DNA40's robby

First off it's worth mentioning both of these are known to be iffy with the DNA40 due to poor conductivity, on the KF4 the spring is the culprit and I have fixed that by replacing the spring with a solid tube. Poor contact of the 510 pin screw thread into the base causes erroneous resistance readings and problems with TP on the SquapeR. After much trial and error I've fixed that with a sliver of tin foil and Noalox wraped round the thread a'la teflon tape in pipe fitting. Bit of a botch but it seems to work.

Judging by what I read I suspect that 200c is lower than most set their devices but it seems to work for me (I hate that phrase) I vape 70/30 PG/VG and I believe PG boils at 188c so 200c seems reasonable and I'm getting an excellent vape. I do raise it somtimes but only to 205c or 210c never more than that.

With a new coil fitted I normally start with a 15w power setting and then as the coil breaks in I raise it, that's what I set it at with the larger dia 0.2ohm coils and ended up raising the set temp to stop TP with a resultant drop in vape quality. I could/should have tried lowering the power but didn't persevere.

With my twisted coils (the one I fitted last night is reading 0.11ohms now) I raise the power gradually until I get to a point where the device maintains a steady 190c-200c with no reduction in power, normally 17-20w, (Dependent on weather conditions and strength of the wind ) I have gone higher but at 25-30w TP cuts in, the result is bigger clouds, not what I'm after really.

I doubt we'll ever truly suss or get agreement on temp limiting, manufactures don't really help but discussions like this present options to try and help find out what suits. There will be advancements and refinements to the elsctronics and we can all start over