Is my tc working?

[flavourtank]

Great cheers gents, will play later

[letsavit]

Jul 15, 2015 21:33:49 GMT @scooby said:

You've got me going now flavourtank I just did a test with KGD, even changed to F so it's more understandable

Nothing up to 410f, 420f very slight barely perceptible scorching and 430f slight scorching. That's with a DNA40 and a 10sec fire.

I agree with VapingBad comments and would add that the two mods I'm vaping at the moment are set for good flavour at 190c (374F) and 195c (383F) so a well below the temp I'd experience a dry, burnt hit.

Imo I think you're best to start at the 'nothing' temp, then gradually reduce it to find the most flavourful temp.

But you vape with watts and use temp as protection?

[letsavit]

I vape 20-30f over a totally dry burnt cotton mark sometimes, it's just a benchmark for the different temp mods out and coming out that seem to have different ranges...your vape will taper off way before any kind of burnt hit.

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Jul 15, 2015 23:59:44 GMT letsavit said:

Jul 15, 2015 21:33:49 GMT @scooby said:

You've got me going now flavourtank I just did a test with KGD, even changed to F so it's more understandable

Nothing up to 410f, 420f very slight barely perceptible scorching and 430f slight scorching. That's with a DNA40 and a 10sec fire.

I agree with VapingBad comments and would add that the two mods I'm vaping at the moment are set for good flavour at 190c (374F) and 195c (383F) so a well below the temp I'd experience a dry, burnt hit.

Imo I think you're best to start at the 'nothing' temp, then gradually reduce it to find the most flavourful temp.

But you vape with watts and use temp as protection?

Yes! but with all due respect, trying to explain that to you is difficult as you can't grasp the difference between heat and temperature.

[letsavit]

Jul 16, 2015 6:35:21 GMT @scooby said:

Jul 15, 2015 23:59:44 GMT letsavit said:

But you vape with watts and use temp as protection?

Yes! but with all due respect, trying to explain that to you is difficult as you can't grasp the difference between heat and temperature.

humour me, how do you measure heat?

[VapingBad]

You measure heat in a unit of power like Watts.

Heat is heating power, put a kilowatt heater in a small room and it will noticeable warm it, but put it in a big room like a warehouse it will heat it just as much but you wouldn't notice the tiny change in temperature. The heat is the same in both examples, but the temperature change is very different.

Vaping temp limited devices by maxing the watts and just setting the temperature is like going back to using a mech in that it is the coil that determines the power use. If you take 2 set ups one single coil and one dual using exactly the same coils and wicks set a max watts and the same temp with suitable airflow the dual coil will use twice the power and create around twice the vapour. It works for some people as the coil is the right size, but with temp limiting IMO it is better to set the watts more or less as normal, maybe 10 % higher than non temp limited YMMV we are all different.

I set temp by flavour, if you loose vapour production doing this you need a bigger coil (more contact area with the wick). On some builds you may not ever reach the temp, others you get close when watts, build, wicking, airflow & temp are more in balance, but for builds where it keeps going over it really makes a difference to the vape quality. Devices with good temperature controlled pre-heat give a better vape even if you never get to temperature, if you have a build like this on a Evolv DNA turn off temp limiting and the vape is not as good try it if you don't believe me.

[robby]

Im interested in this too @scooby, if you have your device set at 190C is the temperature control/protection/limiting coming in when you vape? What do you have your power set to?

[VapingBad]

190 C = 374 F I can get a good vape at 370 F on the Origeny and Orchid, but prefer that level with Ethyl Maltol liquid and a little higher temp for tobacco. If you can't try coils with more contact area.

[robby]

Jul 16, 2015 10:26:01 GMT VapingBad said:

190 C = 374 F I can get a good vape at 370 F on the Origeny and Orchid, but prefer that level with Ethyl Maltol liquid and a little higher temp for tobacco. If you can't try coils with more contact area.

So, is there any indication on the mod that temp control/protection/limiting is coming in?

[VapingBad]

Jul 16, 2015 10:28:29 GMT robby said:

Jul 16, 2015 10:26:01 GMT VapingBad said:

190 C = 374 F I can get a good vape at 370 F on the Origeny and Orchid, but prefer that level with Ethyl Maltol liquid and a little higher temp for tobacco. If you can't try coils with more contact area.

So, is there any indication on the mod that temp control/protection/limiting is coming in?

Why?

I'll find a mirror, difficult with a mirror, trying selfie mode on the mobile the focus is not good, but from what I can see only if I inhale very slowly.  I'll graph it when I finish the DNA200.

[robby]

I dont get these differences in flavour using simple coils VapingBad, the flavour is excellent anyway. I`m just interested in knowing if it is an indication to use when setting up.

[VapingBad]

Jul 16, 2015 10:42:14 GMT robby said:

I dont get these differences in flavour using simple coils VapingBad, the flavour is excellent anyway. I`m just interested in knowing if it is an indication to use when setting up.

Managed to get 2 pics, It is hovering a few F below, Origenny dual 3 mm ss rope wicks set at 370 F 36 W.









The flavour may well be flavour dependent and is of course subjective, but I find as I go down from 420 F to 390-400 I get more of the flavour you would get from tasting the liquid, above 420 some notes (don't like that word) change, but some people may like that change.  I say it allows you to tune your flavour rather than it improves it as there are so many variables and personal taste.

[robby]

Okay, that makes a bit more sense. So really everything you put on the mod is going to need it`s own individual setting, all the usual variables are going to affect it. Did you see the mod indication temp control at all when you were looking in the mirror?

[letsavit]

Jul 16, 2015 10:14:48 GMT VapingBad said:

You measure heat in a unit of power like Watts.

Heat is heating power, put a kilowatt heater in a small room and it will noticeable warm it, but put it in a big room like a warehouse it will heat it just as much but you wouldn't notice the tiny change in temperature. The heat is the same in both examples, but the temperature change is very different.

Vaping temp limited devices by maxing the watts and just setting the temperature is like going back to using a mech in that it is the coil that determines the power use. If you take 2 set ups one single coil and one dual using exactly the same coils and wicks set a max watts and the same temp with suitable airflow the dual coil will use twice the power and create around twice the vapour. It works for some people as the coil is the right size, but with temp limiting IMO it is better to set the watts more or less as normal, maybe 10 % higher than non temp limited YMMV we are all different.

I set temp by flavour, if you loose vapour production doing this you need a bigger coil (more contact area with the wick). On some builds you may not ever reach the temp, others you get close when watts, build, wicking, airflow & temp are more in balance, but for builds where it keeps going over it really makes a difference to the vape quality. Devices with good temperature controlled pre-heat give a better vape even if you never get to temperature, if you have a build like this on a Evolv DNA turn off temp limiting and the vape is not as good try it if you don't believe me.

Ok thanks for the lesson.

[robby]

With a dripper, it is going to be changing all the time as you vape from "just filled" to "needing filled" as the juice flow is going to be reducing slightly all the time? VapingBad


EDIT ............. So with a dripper, you will probably get the same control by 0.1 steps in wattage mode?