Hiding Analogues in Shops (debate)

[X&Y]

Just posted this last bit to a thread on the beginners board


Wondered what people's views are on this

I guess a lot won't know because they are analogue free so probably would not have noticed

"On a side note been in two supermarkets today, they now have sliding doors on the cigarette/tobacco to hide the nasties

How silly is that knew it was coming but hey

Wasn't stopping anyone buying and the staff were like this is stupid we have to try and remember what door they are behind

bit like a quiz show "

I noticed yesterday there was a piece in the paper about blank cigarette boxes, to which the big ciggie players said it would just open the doors to counterfeiters.

As my teacher said at school

Discuss

[bel]

I really cant see the point of it all, i guess its to stop kids wanting them.

Perhaps its to make the smokers feel seedy and bad for asking for ciggies, i mean its going to hold the queues up even more now and everyone will be tutting

What if they have run out of your brand, how are you meant to pick another one if you cant see them

[X&Y]

Mar 9, 2012 1:04:51 GMT bel said:

I really cant see the point of it all, i guess its to stop kids wanting them.

Perhaps its to make the smokers feel seedy and bad for asking for ciggies, i mean its going to hold the queues up even more now and everyone will be tutting

What if they have run out of your brand, how are you meant to pick another one if you cant see them

Bel nail on head "smokers feel seedy"
havn't got a smiley for that

No doubt Anne will find one

Would have felt more comfortable buying a magazine from the top shelf not that i do that sort of thing of course

[Martin]

I might text this into LBC radio whu.. think it would be a good topic for their phone in too..

[Anne (fuzzy)]

Will this do whuf? Lol

If they think that's right, why is alcohol available for everyone just to help themselves to off the shelves? That's never been behind counters in supermarkets so you have to ask for it. It's just as bad, if not worse IMHO. It's a mind altering drug, unlike (normal) tobacco.
I'd best about this subject, my blood pressure will go up. >

[domesticextremist]

I think it is a totally superfluous regulation.
It is already illegal to sell cigarettes to minors, this won't
make any difference.
If kids want to get hold of tobacco, they will, just as they
do with alcohol - protecting children is just a difficult to oppose
pretext.

I think Anne has hit the nail on the head - the idea is to further
stigmatise the smoking population and make them feel needy in
having to ask.
The majority of non-smokers won't really object as it doesn't affect them,
and the minority anti-smoking zealots will be overjoyed at yet another
victory for their viewpoint over the freedom of adults to exercise choices
(however bad they may be).

Also it sets a precedent - soon they will be going after the drinkers - they've
already begun, and you can bet that sooner or later they will come after us vapers.

Frankly I'm sick and tired of being infantilised through legislation - I'd rather be
informed of the risks and make my own decisions as a grown up.

[Perpetua]

Co-incidentally I had the occasion to visit the Customer Service area in Tesco on Wednesday, where the Tobacco kiosk is sited and saw these Heath Robinson door affairs over their Tobacco Products, at the time I thought what a joke.

As if, they're going to dissuade anyone from taking up the habit, or indeed persuade anyone to quit . . . yet another example of the Nanny State at it's pathetic best.

[womble]

I think the point is for smoking to be seen as a less than acceptable thing to do. The same thing they did with drunk driving.

I must admit, annoyance aside if I was a smoker (but I'm not ), I'm struggling to see your POV's, surely anything that tries to get people to stop is a good thing?
It certainly makes me less want to get started smoking again.

[HeadHunter]

The state has never wanted or liked the thought of 'free thinking' individuals who can judge and decide for themselves, the state is only interested in programming people into robots that just follow the states lead on everything.
As for freedom of choice ? what choice would a smoker be able to make if all the other available options have been censored by doors, what if the smoker wished to cut down to a lighter tar ciggie ? they cannot even see other possible choices ! Nanny state ? maybe not, maybe just a big brother state that tells you what to think, eat and believe in.
Trouble is that whilst the anti-smoking lobby stands around congratulating itself on a job well done, the basic freedoms of tax paying Brits have been eroded yet again.

[Perpetua]

Thing is, I don't see that it will Womble . . . we all knew as committed smokers, the risks/expense and every thing else negative, associated with tobacco smoking . . . doors over baccy products won't stop that mind set, to my way of thinking . . . rather more be an irritation for all concerned.

Smokers are a stubborn breed, as well we know, if I could have applied as much dedication to not smoking as I did to smoking . . . I'd have packed in decades ago.

If all the ciggies in the world had been locked up in an underground vault, I'd have found a way of accessing them.

Not an admission I'm proud of, but a fact for me I'm afraid.

[womble]

Mar 9, 2012 11:27:16 GMT Perpetua said:

Thing is, I don't see that it will Womble . . . we all knew as committed smokers, the risks/expense and every thing else negative, associated with tobacco smoking . . . doors over baccy products won't stop that mind set, to my way of thinking . . . rather more be an irritation for all concerned.

Smokers are a stubborn breed, as well we know, if I could have applied as much dedication to not smoking as I did to smoking . . . I'd have packed in decades ago.

If all the ciggies in the world had been locked up in an underground vault, I'd have found a way of accessing them.

Not an admission I'm proud of, but a fact for me I'm afraid.

No I totally agree with you. For me the question is, will it help or hinder stopping people smoking, or starting?
And I honestly don't know the answer.

It might make less people start (good), or it might make it more attractive (bad).

If it works, then I'm afraid I have no problem with it.

[bel]

I think the government are trying to have their cake and eat it > they are doing everything to make smokers feel bad and treating them like outcasts.

Its almost as if they are saying to everyone look we are doing everything we can to stop this bad habit what more as a government can we do? Well how about a complete ban on selling them!! Oh no they wont do that How would they cope without all the revenues they get from the smokers!!

Im abit too young to remember but im sure years ago didnt the doctors or government say they were good for you

[Tetsab]

I'd been pithering over whether to add my tuppence worth here and now I'm glad that I have because Rok and Perpetua's posts have actually clarified my own thoughts about this - I agree with BOTH of them.

I would never, ever encourage anyone to start smoking and equally feel that anything which helps anyone who already does to break free from it by whatever method they prefer is by definition a 'good thing'.

But I am also heartily sick of being legislated to death by spineless politicians who increasingly seem to be little more than the public lackeys of greedy immoral corporations and the moneyed classes. The vast majority of their recent social engineering efforts seem to have the objective of brainwashing the majority of the population into functioning as low-cost self-maintaining fodder for exploitation in order to pointlessly increase the obscene and utterly unnecessary wealth of a selfish and unbalanced minority.

Their preferred method of shifting the goalposts on pretty much anything people used to feel they could rely on is succeeding only in increasing the misery and poverty of the most vulnerable members of our society and creating more and more underclasses to be looked down upon and discriminated against, while simultaneously irritating the hell out of everyone else!!

(Rant over, been feeling a bit cynical recently - glad I got that off my chest, anyway)

Love and peace, all!

[X&Y]

Mar 9, 2012 12:20:32 GMT bel said:

I think the government are trying to have their cake and eat it > they are doing everything to make smokers feel bad and treating them like outcasts.

Its almost as if they are saying to everyone look we are doing everything we can to stop this bad habit what more as a government can we do? Well how about a complete ban on selling them!! Oh no they wont do that How would they cope without all the revenues they get from the smokers!!

Im abit too young to remember but im sure years ago didnt the doctors or government say they were good for you

Bel i'm a bit young as well

Wasn't it something to do with Marlboro Man and how it was considered cool to smoke

I may be wrong

Mind you this picture does have a warning included on it so perhaps it was earlier than this

www.admadness.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/men-in-advertising-marlboro.jpg

[domesticextremist]

surely anything that tries to get people to stop is a good thing?

Well for me that is the crux of the issue, because anything could include
chopping the fingers off smokers, and using the fact that it discourages
others as justification. (An extreme example, but you get my point).