Nicotine strength news

[X&Y]

Just received this email re changing levels

Thought it may prove interesting reading


New Range of Strengths

Recent published research related to Electronic Cigarettes suggested that users absorb more Nicotine per day then they would smoking traditional cigarettes, by using their device more frequently.

Thus, Intellicig have been extensively analysing the delivery of nicotine from electronic cigarettes and is now launching a revised range of strengths, designed to give an even more realistic smoking alternative sensation.

Our new, simplified ECOpure refill capsule product range will henceforth consist of four strengths; 0mg, 5mg, 10mg and a newly formulated 15mg.

Feedback gathered from existing customers who have sampled the new 15mg strength has been overwhelmingly positive, with many confirming they have reduced the number of inhalations taken per day whilst finding the experience more similar to that of traditional smoking.

Intellicig believes that this behavioural change will allow users of 15mg capsules to absorb less nicotine per day than would normally be taken from an electronic cigarette, providing the consumer with a significant additional benefit.

In combination with the introduction of the revised strengths, Intellicig will label in accordance with CLP regulation, ensuring all labelling is compliant across Europe.

Strengths will now be classified as the amount of nicotine within a single refill rather than the amount of nicotine per ml as has become customary in electronic cigarette labelling.

For clarification on the new range of refill capsule strengths, please see the table below:

Could not post table so have had to insert link

www.intellicig.com/2012/03/new-ecopure-strengths-to-be-introduced-from-the-14th-march-2012/

[Martin]

I can see how this could be, because Ive noticed I vape more than I did smoke.. but I find it interesting too that this comes from intellicig one of the larger corps, posibly a way to create their own niche/corner within the market too sort of thing... seems a lot of folk know when they've had too much nic.. hmm.. interesting though!...

[tommk3cab]

Doesn't mean too much as I don't know the previous strengths, or how much liquid each of these ''refills'' contain as they now seem to be turning their back on the ''per ml'' calculations.

If I have got it right they are lowering the nicotine content basically? and they think people will still ''suck'' the same amount..... of course they don't think that, they know the lower nicotine the more ''sucks''.. this will suit them just fine.

[domesticextremist]

Hmmm, the underlying sentiment seems to be one of nicotine
consumption being sinful.

As a thought experiment, imagine how folks would feel if the
same were done with booze.

[maccafan]

Would be interesting to read the "recent published research" referred to in the article.

Interesting read nevertheless..Thanks for the link..

[Perpetua]

Mar 9, 2012 16:23:05 GMT domesticextremist said:

Hmmm, the underlying sentiment seems to be one of nicotine
consumption being sinful.

As a thought experiment, imagine how folks would feel if the
same were done with booze.

Isn't that what the Temperance League tried to say Dom . . . look at the success they had.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement

[Khromm]

Mar 9, 2012 17:00:53 GMT Perpetua said:

Mar 9, 2012 16:23:05 GMT domesticextremist said:

Hmmm, the underlying sentiment seems to be one of nicotine
consumption being sinful.

As a thought experiment, imagine how folks would feel if the
same were done with booze.

Isn't that what the Temperance League tried to say Dom . . . look at the success they had.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement

When you think about it, that happened in the UK not too many years back; spirits went from 40% down to 37.5% (not a massive drop, but still...). And then in pubs the average single measure dropped (wasn't it 35ml before? Think so...)

[Perpetua]

And wine glasses got bigger . . . a ' standard ' measure wine glass, looks quite puny in size now Khromm.

[domesticextremist]

Likewise, beer has got stronger.

[Tetsab]

Actually, this isn't easy to grasp at a glance, and as it happens no it doesn't mean they are lowering the strength of the liquid in their cartridges, in fact they are increasing it - quite substantially, too. You're right about one thing, WHU, this is definitely interesting.

Apart from anything else, they've revised the 'table' on that page since I first followed your link earlier on this afternoon when this thread first caught my eye. I've tried to show roughly what the table originally said from memory - apologies if I don't make too good a job of it! It definitely gave mg/ml values for the 'new' strengths which had direct equivalents when given as mg per cartridge values; this made it obvious that their cartridges must have a capacity of 1/3ml each.

Current range Nicotine New range
(Name) (mg/ml) (mg per cartridge)

Zero Zero Zero
Low 10mg N/A
Medium 15mg 5mg
High 20mg N/A
V-High 25mg N/A
X-High 30mg 10mg

N/A N/A 15mg

I definitely took on board there WASN'T a 'current' equivalent to the 'new' 15mg and it seemed very clear to me that a 1/3ml cartridge containing 15mg of nicotine would HAVE to be filled with
45mg/ml strength liquid. Yup, 45mg/ml. I reckon that one'll give people one heck of a belt.

I am left wondering just how they're going to describe the refill liquid strength - it doesn't seem to have changed in the shop dropdowns.

Intellicig as a company aren't awfully popular around the forums for a number of reasons. First off they sell a cig-a-like and (as usual) tend to overstate the cigarette-equivalences for their cartridges in the opinion of most vapers, currently claiming 6 per (tiny) cartridge.

They've generally come over as being very prim, proper & correct and for a long time wouldn't supply any liquid at all, only prefilled cartridges, implying this was due to 'safety concerns'. They later introduced their UK-made ECOpure VG-based liquid, which in fairness is a very good (if pricey) product and as far as I can recollect the highest strength it was sold in at that time was 18mg/ml, once again citing 'safety' as the reason for this. They definitely tried to suggest by implication that other sellers offering higher strengths were being horribly irresponsible by doing so.

You may have heard about the furore some time back (2010) when the MHRA popped up and it looked for some months as if they might succeed in shoving through a complete ban on the sale of e-cigs in the UK on the grounds that they were unlicensed NRT/medical products/drug delivery devices for quitting smoking. To keep a long story short, this was what caused a group of vendors to band together and form ECITA as a trade association to represent the e-cig industry to fight this move, along with thousands of vapers signing petitions and insisting on being included in their 'consultation process' which ultimately led to the MHRA being forced to back down and also getting a very humiliating public slap from a quango called the Regulatory Policy Committee.

Intellicig refused to join this group of vendors, preferring to represent themselves and it became apparent that they were intending to go along with the MHRA's stance and go through the entire pharmaceutical drug-testing procedure to get their products licensed as NRT medical products - enormously costly and well beyond the reach of the vast majority of vendors both then and now. We're talking hundreds of thousands of £s here.

This was what led to the way you will notice all the responsible vendors highlighting the fact that e-cigs are NOT medical devices and avoiding making unproven health claims or describing them as quit-smoking aids or NRT. It also led to many vapers feeling that Intellicig's plan to take the course they have chosen was a pretty cynical tactic. If the MHRA had succeeded they would have rather helpfully wiped out virtually all their competition for them.

This means that Intellicig have been doing all sorts of costly research and analyses (essentially drug trials) to support their licensing application and naturally enough, keeping the results to themselves. This will have included blood-testing people after they have used an Intellicig to prove that e-cigs do indeed deliver nicotine into the bloodstream. Despite the fact this is something any vaper can tell them it is necessary to PROVE it and quantify it exactly to satisfy the requirements of the MHRA by doing this sort of thing.

Getting back to where we started, this is why I think that this change of nicotine strengths in the Intellicig cartridges is VERY interesting indeed. They mention 'Recent published research' but don't actually provide a reference - it MAY be in a publicly accessible publication, or then again it may not. It might even be from their own research - or maybe not. I'd love to see it, either way - if anyone else knows what/where it is, please provide a link!

There's been some lousy research done in the past, one study even 'proved' that e-cigs did NOT get any nicotine into the test subjects' blood. Bear in mind, the subjects had never even seen an e-cig before, didn't know how to use it (nor did the researchers) and it WAS an old supermini type.

Most vapers of a couple of years or more experience might well agree that we maybe DO vape more than we smoked. Why? I reckon it's because it seems likely that we absorb nicotine from vapour slightly differently and possibly more slowly than burning tobacco and inhaling the smoke. We also know from our own experience that vaping doesn't seem to impair our breathing and health in the same way either, cost anything like as much and once we've settled on equipment which suits us, just plain ENJOY it more than smoking. And we probably aren't using a supermini or an Intellicig, either!

Hiking the nicotine content of their cartridges for novice users who haven't yet gone through the learning curve of working out what suits them individually in terms of both kit and liquid makes me suspect Intellicig are simply trying to ensure that their new customers will get enough nicotine to keep them off cigarettes from the first few puffs, no matter how inexpert. That's all. Selling catridges with 45mg/ml liquid in them - that's fairly hypocritical to say the least, given their history.

Can't say I'm overly impressed by them deciding to introduce a new 'mg-per-cartridge' description, though - particularly if they're going to continue using mg/ml for liquids. It doesn't strike me as helpful to either novices or experienced customers.

But interesting - oh my, yes!

[alvoram]

The 15mg replace their old 36mg product called Krystal.

Wonder how close to an ecig this will be.
www.cncbio.co.uk/product-services/nicadex/

[X&Y]

Great post Tetsag

Very enlightning

Did wonder what the background was with the company as i'd noticed a little resistance to their products on some other forums.

Evening Alvo

All good with you Sir i trust?

[maccafan]

Leftfield made a very interesting post in end of January about nicotine absorption rates:


allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=4963&page=1#112436

Worth a read I think..

[alvoram]

Mar 9, 2012 21:04:35 GMT X&Y said:

Great post Tetsag

Very enlightning

Did wonder what the background was with the company as i'd noticed a little resistance to their products on some other forums.

Evening Alvo

All good with you Sir i trust?

Oh yes, thanks ammer, Was a good night, was Tuesday... More of the same Saturday, and in particular next Tues, and I'll be a very happy bunny...

Oh yeh, vaping is going well too

[Tetsab]

Very glad I didn't bore you spitless, anyway, WHU! Shame that table doesn't display better - looked fine in Preview! (still does, opened it up again to have another go but gave up)

It just crossed my mind that people who've come to vaping more recently probably wouldn't be likely to know about the background reasons for resenting Intellicig as a company. To be honest I'm pretty irked with them about this daft notion of changing from the nicotine strength rating (which is as close as we get to an "Industry standard" unit in mg/ml) to a 'per cartridge' value but STILL using 'mg'.

To be honest, I'm by no means certain that they ARE actually hiking the strength to (what I'd call) 45mg since someone evidently went back and changed the table but that was definitely what was implied by the original version of it. Chances are that Alvo's right and it will be equivalent to the Krystal - which depending on which bit of the site you read may in future be 35mg rather than 36mg.

And I just couldn't remember 'Nicadex' (the name of what will be their NRT product) so thanks for the link! Rather suspect you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and an Intellicig (or any other M401) apart from what gets printed on it - and maybe the price, too!

I'd also completely missed Leftfield's very interesting post from January, so thanks for the link to that as well, Macca. I think part of the real problem with any attempt to standardise strengths based on nicotine absorption rates is that different kit performs so radically differently - and I also suspect varies as it gets older, too.

Some atties rip through liquid like there's no tomorrow compared to others, but do we actually take on board a heftier dose of nic as a result? I'm not so sure we necessarily do. Compare the 'belt' you'll get from a typical tank atty on the day you first use it to the same thing two weeks later - if it lasts that long!