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[Deleted]

Best start stocking up then
If it happens it happens and this and other forums will find ways of work arounds and making your own so it wont go away just underground same as black market fags

[domesticextremist]

I don't think there's any question that we want our e-juices to be safe.
the question is do we want it safe like the food we get in the supermarket
or safe like the medicines we buy from a pharmacy (often only under
medical authorisation)?

I would prefer the former - to have a list of known, food safe ingredients
on the packaging and to be allowed to make my choices like a grown up.

[domesticextremist]

Mar 11, 2012 20:40:55 GMT @colliwobbles said:

Best start stocking up then
If it happens it happens and this and other forums will find ways of work arounds and making your own so it wont go away just underground same as black market fags

I suspect (hope) that we will see somebody get MAs for unflavoured
PG and VG juices and users will be able to add flavourings 'at their
own risk'.
It will be a faff, but better than a forced return to the cigarette style sales
model (doesd, regulated, taxed) that these developments seem to be
conspiring to produce.

[hifistud]

We covered this tonight on VTTV in Dave's Tacklbox - www.vapourtrails.tv/?p=3449 if you didn't see it live.

[Tetsab]

Mar 11, 2012 13:03:59 GMT maccafan said:

But vapourising PG over a heated coil which is capable of boiling water ie., over 100 degrees may alter it chemically. Another thing is PG gets converted to lactic acid in our body which is the main chemical responsible for muscles cramping when we get tired as I understand it. So what is the effect of dumping large quantities of PG in our lungs? Thing is, I don't know but I would like to, from a trustworthy source.

Sorry to be backtracking but I wanted to reply to Macca's concerns about PG. I'm not sure about cramping, but lactic acid is definitely the thing responsible for the burning sensation you get in muscles following exercise - we produce it ourselves so it is far from being alien within the human body.

In addition, I'd question whether a few mls inhaled over many hours is actually a 'large' quantity - much of which is exhaled again. 5mls is a large teaspoonful, to put this into perspective.

PG is used in the nebulisers which hospitals use for acute asthma attacks to deliver drugs directly into the lungs, which I definitely can't see them doing if this was felt to be unwise. It is also used in many other commonplace products, including carrying certain drugs directly into the bloodstream by injection. It really is a very widely used substance.

One of the USEFUL things Intellicig/CN Creative have inadvertently let out of the bag is here: www.intellicig.com/research-and-development/vapour-analysis/ which makes it clear that their analysis of ECOpure vapour found this: "The results illustrated that the vapour contained the same ingredients as the neat ECOpure."

While I appreciate that ECOpure is VG-based, this indicates that heating it with a coil to produce vapour does NOT cause chemical changes, otherwise different 'ingredients' would be found in the vapour. One of the things people were concerned about when VG liquids first came onto the market was that glycerine might be denatured by heat into a nasty byproduct called Acrolein, which is toxic. Intellicig have now proved that it doesn't.

I'd rather imagine the same principle would apply to vapour from a PG-based liquid because I'm fairly sure that the concern about VG arose because glycerine is LESS stable than PG from a chemical point of view. If anyone else can confirm this I'd be much obliged!

[maccafan]

Thanks for the informative post..This is exactly the kind of research that I want pursued which can only be possible by someone seeking and maintaining some kind of medical approval somewhere.

Interesting that they do not appear to use any PG in any of their juices at all and state this clearly their products and research pages.