Vapers in Power membership

[jessica]

For the first time, since the registration of the party in July 2014, Vapers in Power is offering memberships for the party.



Membership is open to anyone, aged 18 and above, who agrees with the Manifesto. The party doesn't limit membership by nationality, political leanings, tobacco-use status or vaping status. Nor does it restrict membership for members of other political parties; this is quite unusual, so if you are already a member of another political party, please check with them.



If you would like to join the party it can be done through the website - the membership fee is £5.



Funds raised from the membership fees will be used by the party to publicise the positive aspects of vaping and challenge the anti-vaping lobby in every way possible, including, but not limited to, presenting candidates for election at the Welsh Elections in 2016. The party was established to utilise the freedom of expression granted to political parties and challenge the clause in the TPD that is intended to prevent vaping being discussed in a positive light. The party gives a 'voice to vapers', you can help make that voice louder.

[thatguy]

I do agree with your manifesto, but you must be more scientifically robust with the wording. An example

We demand that the maximum taxation for ecigs and eliquid is levied at the minimum VAT level - as Nicotine Replacement Therapies are. It would be morally wrong to sin tax this infinitely less harmful tobacco alternative

The word infinitely should be replace with a scientifically justifiable term such as measurably. Others could poke holes in you manifesto if you are not careful in it's wording.

Rely on scientific evidence to discredit those who would get rid of vaping, and rely on the same science to justify your position. The only way to beat the TPD regulation is to provide more scientific evidence against it than the beancounters can provide for it.

[blaze]

That is a good point thatguy, thanks.

[jessica]

Aug 13, 2015 1:54:35 GMT thatguy said:

I do agree with your manifesto, but you must be more scientifically robust with the wording. An example

We demand that the maximum taxation for ecigs and eliquid is levied at the minimum VAT level - as Nicotine Replacement Therapies are. It would be morally wrong to sin tax this infinitely less harmful tobacco alternative

The word infinitely should be replace with a scientifically justifiable term such as measurably. Others could poke holes in you manifesto if you are not careful in it's wording.

Rely on scientific evidence to discredit those who would get rid of vaping, and rely on the same science to justify your position. The only way to beat the TPD regulation is to provide more scientific evidence against it than the beancounters can provide for it.

Thank you thatguy - we'll change that - did anything else jump at out you when you read it? 

[Ripshod]

WTF? We have to conform to be acceptable to a minority??

Isn't this the carp that got us smoking in the first place.

While I accept there will always be organisations bourne of public opinion, we should never accept being 'pressured' into joining such organisationsm nor obliged.

It's up to Stan what Stan does - and I'll do what I do.

This carp is why I seem to be standing alone. It ain't about public nor political opinion - it's about how we feel about ourselves as human beings. Individuals.

Don't need no party, no politiacal representatives. I value my indipendance - that's what got me off the fags in the first place. Sorry if this is the wrong place but I've grown sick of people garnishing us with old news to try and gain our support in the world of politics.

My name is ****** ****, not 'Vapers in Power' ffs!!!

(been brewing a while - I DON'T APOLOGISE)

[Greg]

Aug 14, 2015 20:02:45 GMT Ripshod said:

WTF? We have to conform to be acceptable to a minority??

Isn't this the carp that got us smoking in the first place.

While I accept there will always be organisations bourne of public opinion, we should never accept being 'pressured' into joining such organisationsm nor obliged.

It's up to Stan what Stan does - and I'll do what I do.

This carp is why I seem to be standing alone. It ain't about public nor political opinion - it's about how we feel about ourselves as human beings. Individuals.

Don't need no party, no politiacal representatives. I value my indipendance - that's what got me off the fags in the first place. Sorry if this is the wrong place but I've grown sick of people garnishing us with old news to try and gain our support in the world of politics.

My name is ****** ****, not 'Vapers in Power' ffs!!!

(been brewing a while - I DON'T APOLOGISE)

You're certainly not alone mate. I actually find it quite amusing that many who push this agenda post about nothing else, including what mod they use, what juice they like or vaping in general. Almost as if the cause is more important than the act, go figure as the Americans would say.

[Ripshod]

They treat us like dummies m8, like we don't see what's happening. How many posts outside of this forum I ask?

[Greg]

That's politicians for yer

I might be a dummy but I'm a tight dummy

I'm certainly not a fool though as you know what they say about them and their money

[Chrissie]

Aug 14, 2015 20:02:45 GMT Ripshod said:

WTF? We have to conform to be acceptable to a minority??

Isn't this the carp that got us smoking in the first place.

While I accept there will always be organisations bourne of public opinion, we should never accept being 'pressured' into joining such organisationsm nor obliged.

It's up to Stan what Stan does - and I'll do what I do.

This carp is why I seem to be standing alone. It ain't about public nor political opinion - it's about how we feel about ourselves as human beings. Individuals.

Don't need no party, no politiacal representatives. I value my indipendance - that's what got me off the fags in the first place. Sorry if this is the wrong place but I've grown sick of people garnishing us with old news to try and gain our support in the world of politics.

My name is ****** ****, not 'Vapers in Power' ffs!!!

(been brewing a while - I DON'T APOLOGISE)

You have to conform to many things in life to be acceptable.

I don't see you are being pressurised to join anything - the info has been posted & it is your choice to join or not.

[CAM-VIP]

Aug 13, 2015 0:11:44 GMT jessica said:

For the first time, since the registration of the party in July 2014, Vapers in Power is offering memberships for the party.



Membership is open to anyone, aged 18 and above, who agrees with the Manifesto. The party doesn't limit membership by nationality, political leanings, tobacco-use status or vaping status. Nor does it restrict membership for members of other political parties; this is quite unusual, so if you are already a member of another political party, please check with them.



If you would like to join the party it can be done through the website - the membership fee is £5.



Funds raised from the membership fees will be used by the party to publicise the positive aspects of vaping and challenge the anti-vaping lobby in every way possible, including, but not limited to, presenting candidates for election at the Welsh Elections in 2016. The party was established to utilise the freedom of expression granted to political parties and challenge the clause in the TPD that is intended to prevent vaping being discussed in a positive light. The party gives a 'voice to vapers', you can help make that voice louder.

Jessica posted the above which triggered a tirade from Ripshod. ViP membership is voluntary, so is getting involved with any part of it, so I do not understand the outrage.

BTW, I've been vaping for over 6 years and I'm happing with my iStick 20 with a TW airflow tank with TW 18mg Pineapple in it

Russell

[Ripshod]

I see I have some interest. Well listen up - this is from a vaper.

You guys claim to have the interests of vapers at heart, yet you don't get involved in everyday discussion about the subject. Anyone that would even ask me to support either themselves or their ideals should at least have a grasp (understanding) of what's actually happening.

We see posts on this forum from various people/organisations who are purporting to represent the vaping community as a whole, yet have no real idea which way the general conversation is going, nor what we're actually discussing day-to-day.

That's what it's about - that's our grass roots. The people who one day decided to put that cigarette packet down and pick up that electronic repalacement. Am I gonna get slammed for insinuating it's a alternative? No I'm not.

But the same should be said of yourselves. You should be the alternative. You, with your big name, should represents us as you appear to be claiming you already do. To do that you should know us. Yet I get the feeling you don't. As I said earlier you're quick enough to copy/paste the wonderful news into this thread/forumm, yet through lack of proper participation, proper enagagement, you leave real vapers looking at you as just yet another group. Yep, an alternative true. But are you the alternative we're looking for>

Get active on these forums and talk about the real stuff, stuff that matters - instead of looking in and saying it the way you see it and the way WE SHOULD see it. PLEASE!!!

Tirade? I don't think so.

[jessica]

Aug 14, 2015 20:18:34 GMT Ripshod said:

They treat us like dummies m8, like we don't see what's happening. How many posts outside of this forum I ask?

This bit (in particular) confuses me - why should I be posting outside this forum?  

[Ripshod]

Aug 14, 2015 21:49:20 GMT jessica said:

Aug 14, 2015 20:18:34 GMT Ripshod said:

They treat us like dummies m8, like we don't see what's happening. How many posts outside of this forum I ask?

This bit (in particular) confuses me - why should I be posting outside this forum?  

^^^^^ SEE what I'm saying here? You're locked in this little bubble that makes you think you should only post here to get our faith. You really believe that's enough? There's a whole lot more to this site. Get active.

[CAM-VIP]

I run 2 ecig shops as my day job Ripshod. I listen to our customers every single day. I organise a monthly vape meet in my home town and see what the current trends and issues are. I look though the forums everyday and read what interests me - just as you do.

'Vapers in Power' is a registered Political party run by a handful of volunteer vapers. If others, like yourself think it needs to be more grassroots, those people need to get involved and make it that way.

Russell

[jessica]

Aug 14, 2015 21:48:50 GMT Ripshod said:

I see I have some interest. Well listen up - this is from a vaper.

You guys claim to have the interests of vapers at heart, yet you don't get involved in everyday discussion about the subject. Anyone that would even ask me to support either themselves or their ideals should at least have a grasp (understanding) of what's actually happening.

We see posts on this forum from various people/organisations who are purporting to represent the vaping community as a whole, yet have no real idea which way the general conversation is going, nor what we're actually discussing day-to-day.

That's what it's about - that's our grass roots. The people who one day decided to put that cigarette packet down and pick up that electronic repalacement. Am I gonna get slammed for insinuating it's a alternative? No I'm not.

But the same should be said of yourselves. You should be the alternative. You, with your big name, should represents us as you appear to be claiming you already do. To do that you should know us. Yet I get the feeling you don't. As I said earlier you're quick enough to copy/paste the wonderful news into this thread/forumm, yet through lack of proper participation, proper enagagement, you leave real vapers looking at you as just yet another group. Yep, an alternative true. But are you the alternative we're looking for>

Get active on these forums and talk about the real stuff, stuff that matters - instead of looking in and saying it the way you see it and the way WE SHOULD see it. PLEASE!!!

Just cross posted with you - your post answers my question.  Thank you for explaining where you are coming from - it makes a lot more sense now - but I'm really quite shocked  to hear that we give that impression.