vaping with nickel dangerous ??

[it0mm0]

GrimmGreen chats to us about vaping with nickel on this weeks vlog




Its pretty early on in the vlog

what are your thoughts on what he talks about ?

is it dangerous ?

[peter12]

From what I understand some people are allergic to nickel

[ginge7289]

I have never tried TC, so never had a need for nickel. I did read something a few weeks ago about the dangers of nickel and it did scare me enough to not really want to try TC. I guess it is something that would need some researching before using, but I know a lot of new vapers that are starting out with TC mod's and they have no idea about the different wires available.

Im sure there are a lot of intelligent and clued up people on here that would be able to shed some more light on it? But for me, Ill stick with kanthal.

[vapee]

Apparently some of the dna beta testers had a nickel allergy but vaped with the ni200 wire and didn't notice issues, however I read 1 or 2 people elsewhere found some throat irritation from it who had allergies. Also i'd assume if someone had nickel allergies it might not be good to handle it for making coils, theres the potential to poke yourself when working with wires as always heh

[peter12]

Story in the news today about someone who has had a reaction to the nickel in their iPhone.

I guess with all things allergic reactions differ. Some may get sore throat others could have serious breathing difficulties.

But I don't know the % of the pop with nickel allergies

[VapingBad]

Sept 10, 2015 19:20:19 GMT peter12 said:

From what I understand some people are allergic to nickel

I am and Ni200 has been my ADV since last October with zero ill effects, but if I ware jeans the back of the studs give me a rash.

[TillyFTW]

Sept 10, 2015 21:03:08 GMT VapingBad said:

Sept 10, 2015 19:20:19 GMT peter12 said:

From what I understand some people are allergic to nickel

I am and Ni200 has been my ADV since last October with zero ill effects, but if I ware jeans the back of the studs give me a rash.

I blame the old "damn those jeans and this nickel rash" when the mrs catches me with a dose mate

[VapingBad]

Grim Green is completely lost with temp limiting, I watched a recent review for a temp limiting mod, forget which one and he said no ohm was a real no no for temp limiting and I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

[tomj777]

Well, Nickel is a nasty and one we commonly absorb in drinking water but isn't metabolised. Inhalation... not sure but I suspect it's been harming us ex-smokers for quite a long time...
Those long standing 60mg nicotine lethal dose advocates, CDC says "In humans, about 20–35% of inhaled nickel deposited in the lungs is absorbed into the bloodstream. " alas, the article doesn't say how much is subsequently exhaled, nor what it reacts with once deposited (consider the other nasties folks inhale and what effect resultant compounds may have).

Given environmental exposures I suspect the nano-particles released through rapid expansion / contraction under heat are negligible and we don't vape at silly temperatures thus I reckon the oft quoted 95% safer still stands. I'm comforted by Jon's observation as someone who's allergic to Nickel - I'd hate to think what the gradual accumulation in the lung would do to someone prone to contact dermatitis through an allergy.

Bottom line: in my view, it's a low concern (like the man eventually gets to). The early food-safe example is, err, silly in that it's irrelevant.

[it0mm0]

sorry all i wasnt talking about nickel allergic reactions i was more posting about the nasties that come off nickel at high temps

maybe its something about nothing, but with the new stainless steel wire and stuff it leaves me wondering if any research has been done into possible harm coming from the wires we use

Ive seen a few posts around the internet asking if SS wire is safe and now all of a sudden a reviewer is questioning the safety of nickel

[ginge7289]

Sept 10, 2015 21:34:50 GMT tomj777 said:

we don't vape at silly temperatures

I'm a little confused, If nickel was removed from cookware because of leaching would it not do the same to a cotton coil and subsequently the juice? I presume that cookware doesn't really get over 100 degrees C but in TC mode people vape at 430F (for example) which is 220 degrees C?

I am by no means starting a disagreement, I just simply don't understand the concept of how nickel reacts during vaping?

[tomj777]

Sept 11, 2015 10:29:48 GMT ginge7289 said:

I'm a little confused, If nickel was removed from cookware because of leaching would it not do the same to a cotton coil and subsequently the juice? I presume that cookware doesn't really get over 100 degrees C but in TC mode people vape at 430F (for example) which is 220 degrees C?

I am by no means starting a disagreement, I just simply don't understand the concept of how nickel reacts during vaping?

I'm guessing it's because of chemical reactions with the foodstuff (high acidity). But, you know, it's mainly ignorant guesswork because like you, myself and I think everyone else, we don't truly understand.

Mind you, now I'm thinking about it (some search engine browsing occurs)... We all use stainless steel in our attomisers - most of it is 304 stainless steel which isn't food safe (unlike 316) as it leaches Nickel and Chromium (worse). Which, I guess, leads us to Kanthal.

I think you're assumption is flawed regarding cookware / water boiling point but my mind is now on the other stuff and I'm already realising that I need to find some sand insert my noggin into (recognising that I don't know enough but I have the opportunity to alarm myself). Until I find that sand, I'm holding onto mindfulness of the dangers of smoking for contextual purposes.

[lisburnvapes]

I seem to remember a similar discussion about the safety of 'Kanthal' wire , don't think it came to much.

[markus]

Sept 10, 2015 21:33:38 GMT VapingBad said:

Grim Green is completely lost with temp limiting, I watched a recent review for a temp limiting mod, forget which one and he said no ohm was a real no no for temp limiting and I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

He has admitted that on some reviews ive watched, he also hates using mesh ! .....I still like watching his reviews tho....lol


I did wonder about this nickel wire & TC so im glad youve asked this, I make rings from coins & most of them are nickel based (not good if its in prolonged contact with your skin) so I have to silver & gold plate them for longer than normal to put a thicker coating on.
Im still on the fence, but Im going to give it a try.....when I think about the process the wire goes through I tell myself the nickel wouldnt get that hot & like any other material used for a coil it would build up a carbon layer over it...perhaps protecting you a bit....I guess like everything in this game, we always seem to go through this kinda process & we wont know until someone does some proper testing on the vapor produced using nickel wire & TC control.