Flavour Percentage's

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Spent a quite a while today looking for mixes/recipes on the forum, that take my fancy, and found quite a few I like the sound of.
But a lot of them seem low on the % side.
Most juice I have tried and liked have a % over 20%.(taste buds shot).
Some of the recipe's I've seen and liked have a lower %, Like the Cuttwood Unicorn Milk. Just to give one example.
With the total concentrate flavour in this is recipe being 16.5%,
So, can I increase the % to get a higher flavour content, and if I do, will this ruin Cuttwood, and other recipe's too?.
Or is it just a case of trial and error. 

 

 

[Skwoddy]

My only input is go ahead and increase to youre taste by the same percentage across all flavours so 10% increase would make 1ml into 1.1ml etc, but with a caveat, be aware that too much in certain flavourings can destroy a juice, My only experience in this has been with cream and tobacco flavours, of course sweetener can be increased but again be careful, fruits are generally ok but it doesnt take much to overpower other fruits if youre just increasing one. It really is hit and miss but part of the fun.

This spreadsheet (in german but makes sense) has all the flavour houses at the top and the percentages that people mix at with the average being in the left hand column, hope it helps docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1agXdua8bEp8MV4z1mn3qX4AXCS4P0RxQXcy2lDa7ccc/pub?gid=7

[Skwoddy]

Have a browse at HIC's notes on mixing FA flavours (these are notoriously strong so require very little) ive made liquids at 6% total flavouring using FA and are plenty strong enough, capella ive found is very forgiving and has a broader percentage field to use one flavouring in.

His notes gave me alot of direction in flavour accuentation etc HERE




Above ALL else..... KEEP NOTES

[Perpetua]

Sept 20, 2015 1:17:00 GMT @19steve57 said:

Or is it just a case of trial and error. 
 

From my experience yes Steve . . . . whilst guides are useful as a starting point, they can't take into account our individual tastes/taste buds. I've used flavours at 20% that other people might use at a considerably lower percentage - but I like a good ' full on ' flavour also. Overall my ratios tend to be 20/25 . . . . sometimes 30% depending on the concentrates.

I've doubts that the Cuttwood recipe will be strong enough for me, but I've gone ahead and mixed it at the suggested percentages. Once steeped I'll try it and then adjust from there if needs be rather than upping the ratios before trying the suggested amounts.

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Sept 20, 2015 5:43:00 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 20, 2015 1:17:00 GMT @19steve57 said:

Or is it just a case of trial and error. 
 

From my experience yes Steve . . . . whilst guides are useful as a starting point, they can't take into account our individual tastes/taste buds. I've used flavours at 20% that other people might use at a considerably lower percentage - but I like a good ' full on ' flavour also. Overall my ratios tend to be 20/25 . . . . sometimes 30% depending on the concentrates.

I've doubts that the Cuttwood recipe will be strong enough for me, but I've gone ahead and mixed it at the suggested percentages. Once steeped I'll try it and then adjust from there if needs be rather than upping the ratios before trying the suggested amounts.

Trial and error all complete. 500ml in total, 10 different recipes, 50ml of each..........know steeping   

I'm all Capella Skwoddy so made that fit all the recipes and kept and printed all my notes.

Thanks for the input guys, It's Appreciated.

Kreeds just put up a mammoth recipe thread. I'm hooked lol 

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New recipes should always be made as 5ml samplers without nicotine first.

You can waste an awful lot of nic, flavourings, vg and pg with untested bulk mixes........you might hate them.

Am I right lairey ?

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Sept 20, 2015 19:38:32 GMT kreed said:

New recipes should always be made as 5ml samplers without nicotine first.

You can waste an awful lot of nic, flavourings, vg and pg with untested bulk mixes........you might hate them.

Am I right lairey ?

trust me they will be fine, I have lots of Friends who vape    

[whiteclouds]

Sept 20, 2015 1:33:33 GMT Skwoddy said:

Have a browse at HIC's notes on mixing FA flavours (these are notoriously strong so require very little) ive made liquids at 6% total flavouring using FA and are plenty strong enough, capella ive found is very forgiving and has a broader percentage field to use one flavouring in.

His notes gave me alot of direction in flavour accuentation etc HERE




Above ALL else..... KEEP NOTES

HIC goes into a lot of depth with all his recipes, just reading them is a lesson in flavours, he nearly always mentions what can be subbed and what not to change, very knowledgable

[whiteclouds]

(I assume this should be ok to post, he/she does not like recipes posting elsewhere hence I've left the recipe itself out)

just to add to what I mentioned in regards to Hic, this is the notes to one of his recipes:

Shake it really well, but no need to 'steep'

The 8.5% total flavoring is the flavor intensity of TFA Peanut Butter used around 12%.

Don't go over 1% Hazelnut, even if you raise other percentages. Too much Hazelnut will ruin the peanut butter effect.

Vienna Cream adds the needed vanilla background and creaminess.

Acetyl Pyrazine is key for making FA Hazelnut into peanut butter - and adds sweetness. I was really surprised how much, because it never struck me as sweet flavor. If you want to experiment to taste the effect of AP, make the recipe without it, test-vape a little (it will taste less sweet and much like hazelnut), then add the AP to taste the transformation. Cool!

Caramel and Brown Sugar add roasted-sweetness to eliminate the raw/wild nut flavor of Hazelnut. Brown sugar adds 'dark' notes, sort of a molasses touch, to complete the peanut flavor.

Coconut - if you vape TFA Peanut Butter next to this recipe, you'll probably taste coconut in the TFA. I kept Coconut low enough here that you won't taste it, but it adds a rich 'fatty' effect that just belongs in peanut butter.

If you want to amp up the sweetness, try adding 0.5% Marshmallow. If you like maple or honey with real peanut butter, you'll like it here, too - but try it as written first, because it's already pretty sweet.

If you're going to use this as peanut butter flavoring in more complex recipes (explained here: vapingunderground.com/threads/how-to-mix-small-batches-of-complex-recipes.1980/ ), using just the first 4 ingredients will do the job fine. If you'll be vaping peanut butter by itself, include both of the optional ingredients if possible.

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I've been a fan for a while.

[lairey]

Sept 20, 2015 19:38:32 GMT kreed said:

New recipes should always be made as 5ml samplers without nicotine first.

You can waste an awful lot of nic, flavourings, vg and pg with untested bulk mixes........you might hate them.

Am I right lairey ?

Oh gawd, right bloomin can of worms that one! lol

[Perpetua]

Sept 20, 2015 19:33:53 GMT @19steve57 said:

Kreeds just put up a mammoth recipe thread. I'm hooked lol 

Up the creek paddle-less like the rest of us I think @19steve57. 


Sounds like you've had a very productive, fun day . . . . though I'm going to be really boring and echo the advice to not mix up large volumes of anything whilst you're at the ' testing ' stage with a recipe. I do though use nic in my sample brews - however 15ml tends to be the largest volume I make. That's after almost 5 years of this lovely hobby - it's one of the few areas of my life that I exercise a little caution!

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Sept 20, 2015 20:36:03 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 20, 2015 19:33:53 GMT @19steve57 said:

Kreeds just put up a mammoth recipe thread. I'm hooked lol 

Up the creek paddle-less like the rest of us I think @19steve57. 


Sounds like you've had a very productive, fun day . . . . though I'm going to be really boring and echo the advice to not mix up large volumes of anything whilst you're at the ' testing ' stage with a recipe. I do though use nic in my sample brews - however 15ml tends to be the largest volume I make. That's after almost 5 years of this lovely hobby - it's one of the few areas of my life that I exercise a little caution!

Point taken guy's, I know your thinking of my best interest's and I really do appreciate the advice you have given me.

I just couldn't help it !, Iv'e tried most of the flavour's as off the shelf originals ,, except for a couple so I just thought go for it!.

I've kept to the original % in all but the Pineapple recipes, which I thought needed a little more flavour.

I am listening to all your advice and taking on board.

They were just flavour's I new and liked in the most part, so I jumped in.

Time will tell what the result's are with this batch, and I will learn from it I'm sure.

Thanks again for your input it IS appreciated.  

[beedee]

Good to get input, @19steve57, I am finding it really helpful, but also good to go your own way!

By the way, Skwoddy, loved the spreadsheet and the notes. Seems that this backs up what a lot of people say, that FA flavours can be used in much lower percentages - makes me a bit more willing to shell out the extra for them!