Leave the EU due to TPD?

[reefcat]

Just had this shared on my FB page:

leave.eu/en/news/2015-10-15/the-lifesaving-innovation-helping-smokers-quit-hampered-by-overzealous-eu-regulation

Essentially, it's the leave EU campaign using the TPD as a good reason that all vapers should vote to leave the EU.

I have been an expatriate since 1990, having spent 21 of the last 25 years abroad, first living in France & now Portugal. I like the idea of the EU & would have said that I was a committed European.

However, the TPD does make me reflect on the question of UK membership, although I am not so sure that the TPD would change very much, even if we left. Dr Farsalinos suggested in a recent discussion of the TPD that the EU needs a massive shake up to prevent much of the self serving bureaucracy. Maybe it will take a couple of countries expressing their wish to leave to do that, the UK & Poland might be the start of an exodus?

What do you think?

[Bobsbeer]

The problem is that TPD will be well embedded in our law by the time an exit is contemplated. Once it's on the statute book it's a lot harder to get rid of it. I'm sure whoever is in power will have more pressing things to deal with and us lot will not be a priority. However important we think it is.

[Greg]

I'll be voting for a timely EU exit regardless.

[hellraiser]

Oct 26, 2015 13:06:34 GMT Greg said:

I'll be voting for a timely EU exit regardless.

Agreed

[jeffc]

My Grandfather and father fought in 2 great WARS, to stop a dictatorship ruling our lives here in the UK.

This EU is taking over our well being without, our consent, or our democratic votes.

I for one given the vote at a referendum, will vote "OUT NOW".

Our UK must always come "FIRST".

[Richard46]

Sadly I doubt leaving the EU will save vaping from being strangled at birth by over regulation. Our own government is just as vulnerable to the interests that know they must cripple vaping as are the EU and the WHO for that matter.

[lairey]

Oct 26, 2015 15:20:47 GMT Richard46 said:

Sadly I doubt leaving the EU will save vaping from being strangled at birth by over regulation. Our own government is just as vulnerable to the interests that know they must cripple vaping as are the EU and the WHO for that matter.

I don't want to "like" your post, but it's so true.  EU or not, vaping is hanging in the balance and I fear for new and inexperienced vapers

[markus]

I'll vote to leave the EU regardless of TPD, Does my head in that we didnt have a vote to join in the first place & i disagree with laws being made by Brussels....I'm sure half the cuts to local councils are because of the £55million per day it costs us to stay in the EU.
Someone told me that countries get more money back than the amount they pay in....still trying to figure out how that can work ?.....must be some bloke in a room printing bank notes !

[letsavit]

I'm divided, don't like Brussels making laws in my country but on the other hand Eastern European women are very sexy.....

[buggritt]

Oct 26, 2015 17:04:29 GMT markus said:

I'll vote to leave the EU regardless of TPD, Does my head in that we didnt have a vote to join in the first place

We did have that vote - to stay in though, in 1975.
Despite the promise, I doubt another vote will happen.
 And the East European women will remain just as sexy letsavit, in or out.

[markus]

Ahhh....that explains alot....I was just starting school in 1975 !

[lisburnvapes]

Don't care about TPD, I'll keep Vaping regardless of what they say, they don't ban bloody cigarettes do they ?
Tossers the lot of em !

[Bobsbeer]

That's the problem. TPD will come into effect in just over 6 months. Any vote on our EU membership will be at least 18 months away. So let's assume we vote to leave. The timetable will be at least a couple of years if not longer before we actually divorce from the EU. So TPD will have been the law for years in the UK by the time we actually leave and don't need to follow EU rules.

[phatfil]

As a vaper of 6-12mg juice, who has never seen a B&M vape shop and has bought most of my kit from the far east suppliers what real impact is the TPD going to have on me?? B*gger all afaik..

ok some time in 2017 I may need to stock up on nic base again. By which time i will expect non EU nic base suppliers to be thoroughly vetted through the common wisdom shared through sites such as this.

In fact the only folk who will really suffer are newbie vapers starting off from their own backs, (but didnt we all start with ego batteries and ce4 type clearomisers?? or equally bad cigalikes ) and EU based businesses that can no longer sell the stock we want to buy..

with any luck the TPD will be seen as the 'own goal' it is and simply ignored. what will be a real tragedy is if any resources are diverted (wasted) into enforcing any asperct of the TPD but that i hope is a highly unlikely event (keepin me fingers, toes and all else crossed on that front)

[sydsut]

Oct 26, 2015 22:29:54 GMT phatfil said:

As a vaper of 6-12mg juice, who has never seen a B&M vape shop and has bought most of my kit from the far east suppliers what real impact is the TPD going to have on me?? B*gger all afaik..

ok some time in 2017 I may need to stock up on nic base again. By which time i will expect non EU nic base suppliers to be thoroughly vetted through the common wisdom shared through sites such as this.

In fact the only folk who will really suffer are newbie vapers starting off from their own backs, (but didnt we all start with ego batteries and ce4 type clearomisers?? or equally bad cigalikes ) and EU based businesses that can no longer sell the stock we want to buy..

with any luck the TPD will be seen as the 'own goal' it is and simply ignored. what will be a real tragedy is if any resources are diverted (wasted) into enforcing any asperct of the TPD but that i hope is a highly unlikely event (keepin me fingers, toes and all else crossed on that front)

The bottom line is TAX, there is too much at stake for the EU nations to have us give up tobacco. So the only alternative that works needs to be stamped out in their own selfish interests. The whole TPD thing has nothing to do with health. And yes they will come down hard on vaping equipment, e-liquid and components (VG, PG, Nic etc.) suppliers because of the above.