Response to Petition

[Bobsbeer]

I agree robby. This one only had about 10k signatures which is pathetic really, given the number of vapers out here.

[robby]

Nov 21, 2015 11:12:57 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I agree robby. This one only had about 10k signatures which is pathetic really, given the number of vapers out here.

I dont think even the TW one has 100,000 on it. Could be wrong though.

[Get Off My Cloud]

I find it amazing they can place restrictions on hardware like that.
There's no actual tobacco derivative in the hardware, what if someone wants to vape 0mg juice?
They don't place such restrictions on hardware for cannabis use for example, you can quite happily go out and purchase a bong or a pipe legally with no age restrictions or anything and the argument is that the substance itself is illegal and there's no legal reason to assume a bong or a pipe is going to be used for illicit purposes, they could be used for legal purposes or even just purchased as decoration so there are no grounds on which to ban the hardware itself.

For some reason they're treating vaping uniquely here.

[robby]

China will always be your friend, albeit a bit slowly

[vapee]

It seems strange that you can buy bongs, pipes etc of any size but they want to impose a restriction on the hardware for 2ml tanks and "leak free" possibly hinting at cartos or something. Most of these things seem to only make sense if there was to be a pharmacy product where they want to try to have the exact same dosage etc every time, however theres loads of herbal products that don't have any pharmacy license possibly because the dosages of the active ingredient varies every time.

"The TPD does not ban new flavours in e-cigarettes and e-liquids. The TPD permits Member States to make their own rules on flavours in e-cigarettes and e-liquids, however the Department of Health has no current plans to do so."

This is a bit confusing, they're saying the TPD doesn't ban flavours which is technically true although in effect it'll mean theres way less flavours. Then it says the TPD permits the member states to make their own rules but the Department of Health has no current plans, so basically the UK won't be making their own rule on flavours which sounds like they'll be following the TPD's rule on it then rather than not making a rule at all.

The good thing though is that those who agreed with the 95% safer studies all recognise the benefits of multiple flavours being available as they are now as well as multiple devices being available for successfully switching over which means if anything implemented causes that to change then they'll not agree with those changes at all. Others who want to lead to a clamp down on flavours and only basic devices being available don't seem to understand how it works and whats needed for people to quit or they know it and then actually want the outcome to not be an effective product/products.

[vapee]

Nov 21, 2015 14:06:49 GMT faghead said:

Not all e liquid has child proof caps i have just bought a 30ml glass bottle with a normal screw dripper top on it the same as a eye dropper so that may be what they want to stop

Yea it seems with some of the premium juices or interesting bottles they don't seem to all have the child proof caps these days, most of the older style plastic ones did for years but there was a small amount that didn't, but maybe now theres a bit more out there, although theres been talk by politicians about the caps even before the premium bottles became popular, I'm sure that'll be one of the first things they'll want to have a standard for though.

[vapee]

Yea I hope for the least amount of regulation as possible. Its better to spend any money on more research into lomg term effects, which wires are best to use and at what temperatures etc than to have alot spend on other things like researching all the different flavours individually, its fine to have some lab testing on different flavours but that can be done quite cheap compared to the proposed standards. I think even after theres some decision on what to do they'll be some time before anything is implemented too at least in the UK, of course China will always have everything for sale too I'd imagine

[Richard46]

I suspect we may be underestimating how damaging the no leak tank requirement might be. My guess is that the only kind of refill that will pass this test is some kind of sealed cartridge system that only opens once inside the atyy. Think ink jet refills and think what a hugely profitable (and wasteful) game they are.

[purple1234]

I'm stocking up on tanks and drippers this Christmas , as long as we can enjoy the variety of eliquids from the variety of vendors we've become acustommed to then I will be slightly ok with a 2 ml refillable unleakable tank .

Bottom line for me is that vaping stops me from smoking as long as I can still vape then good .

Naive ? Tell me if I'm missing a trick

[Richard46]

Nov 21, 2015 17:52:20 GMT purple1234 said:

I'm stocking up on tanks and drippers this Christmas , as long as we can enjoy the variety of eliquids from the variety of vendors we've become acustommed to then I will be slightly ok with a 2 ml refillable unleakable tank .

Bottom line for me is that vaping stops me from smoking as long as I can still vape then good .

Naive ? Tell me if I'm missing a trick

If you are sure you will be happy with the kit that will be legal after TPD then no need to stock up prior to it; surely?

[purple1234]

Nov 21, 2015 18:05:30 GMT Richard46 said:

Nov 21, 2015 17:52:20 GMT purple1234 said:

I'm stocking up on tanks and drippers this Christmas , as long as we can enjoy the variety of eliquids from the variety of vendors we've become acustommed to then I will be slightly ok with a 2 ml refillable unleakable tank .

Bottom line for me is that vaping stops me from smoking as long as I can still vape then good .

Naive ? Tell me if I'm missing a trick

If you are sure you will be happy with the kit that will be legal after TPD then no need to stock up prior to it; surely?

True but old habits die hard and I will always want to build crazy coil builds for the hell of it .

[goofy]

Nov 21, 2015 12:13:27 GMT robby said:

China will always be your friend, albeit a bit slowly

Exactly what i was thinking robby, there's no way our overlords (aka the government) can regulate what we're getting in the post from China unless they plan on opening every single package which simply isn't feasible. I pretty much buy all my hardware from China anyway, i don't mind the wait

[wildpolecat]

how many internet and b&m shops will suffer as a direct result of these proposed laws the tanks coils mods juices even bottles vg pg nic not forgeting the mod and tank manufacturers the list goes on i bet a large portion of these suppliers custom is actually based on the very thing they are threatening to ban i think the unemployment rate will rise as a result many simply wont be able to make ends meet just visit a b&m and watch the type of gear customers buy it isnt within these regulations somehow i cant imagine any politician losing any sleep over it

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2015 18:52:29 GMT goofy said:

Nov 21, 2015 12:13:27 GMT robby said:

China will always be your friend, albeit a bit slowly

Exactly what i was thinking robby, there's no way our overlords (aka the government) can regulate what we're getting in the post from China unless they plan on opening every single package which simply isn't feasible. I pretty much buy all my hardware from China anyway, i don't mind the wait

If they make them illegal, and illegal to transport them who do you think will bring them to your door?

I suspect it would not be too difficult to enforce current transportation of restricted goods laws. DHL, the Post Office and the rest won't touch them. We will have to wait to see if that happens or not.

Nick

[nanotm]

the whole "leak proof" design idea is rather flawed currently every single product is prone to developing leaks, so unless the government has decided to become the sole manufacturing and distributing authority there not going to be able to implement that plan,

if they cant even get batteries to conform to safety standards on sale in shops then how they hell do they expect to get tanks that don't leak in them ?

its all smoke and mirrors, its likely the only serious regulation will be about the size of the tanks, and I read somewhere there doing that because a small child cracking a tank wont die from absorbing 2ml of e-juice at the top concentration of 36mg through their skin, and there planning on restricting the regular sale of higher strength e-juice, but not if your buying concentrates and self mixing for personal use only....

bear in mind that even the most expensive carto systems suffer from leaking and it becomes apparent that even billion dollar industries cant get the design perfect /


and yes the response does read a bit like being told to stop being a silly little boy by a teach in primary school because you misunderstood the problem .....