Another TPD petition, but maybe the best one.

[mart166]

done

Sorry proboard problems, seems to have been posted twice

[mart166]

done

[nanotm]

Nov 23, 2015 15:49:11 GMT lairey said:

Nov 23, 2015 13:38:31 GMT nanotm said:

this petition leaves them free to create their own version which will likely be fully written by big pharma/tobacco so no I wont sign it

This is backed by the following...
Simple Vape Co.
Flavour Vapour
Vape Club
Lonjas UK
Evapo
Aspire
Beard Vape Co.
COV
Kangertech
Space Jam
Halo
And many others...

I would be amazed if they sponsored such a petition (and they have donated money to the cause) only to hand it over to big Pharma/Tobacco

it might amaze you to find out most people don't think big picture when something affects them they think small short term, this petition whilst erstwhile doesn't present an alternative to the TPD, the UK doesn't have an opt out to prevent it from being applied, if it fails to enact the law within the 12 month timeline (as the country sees fit) it pays a fine and gets a judicial decree issued forcing it to implement the original draft text as extant law, I want to see things don't differently so I personally would ask them to re-evaluate or clarify some of the restrictions there planning to implement, sending what amounts to a blackmail proposition on how you plan to vote over the upcoming referendum clearly signals that if he delays the implementation he has gained your vote to remain in the EU, I wouldn't sign that I fully intend to vote out regardless of any nonsense regulations they force on us as a country.

i'd also like to point out that regardless of who dreams up the regulations they will be coming, how severe they are depends on how maturely the community acts towards it as a whole and if they even get a voice at the table or if they get excluded from the decision and everyone does what the men with the fat wads of cash and free bling from big pharma and tobacco dictate to them.

its no secret several advisors on the cabinet retainer are also paid by those big money industries and they get to chat with the people who sign the laws, here in the UK we have at least been listened to in a small way and had several of the clauses ignored to make the choice wider, some aspects that are left clearly make some people twitchy, but lets look at the safety case they base the size recommendations on, a child getting hold of a just filled vape stick could in theory suck in all 2ml of the vape and if that's above 20mg there going to be severely unwell and likely to suffer lung problems for the rest of their life, look at a small child drinking 10ml left on the worktop, in a the safety top Bottle they wont gain access to it without some effort and even then drinking 20mg strength will make them unwell but wont kill them (apparently that's not true for higher strengths or larger quantities), sure that requires the adult supervisor to be somewhat negligent in their care of the child but everyone has found their kid doing something /playing with something they shouldn't especially if they have siblings that are engaging the adult elsewhere in the home....

lets look at the regulations proposed on power units,  has to have a protection circuit for both charge and discharge, an auto off feature and non volatile compounds to store the charge, an experienced guy or gal knows they have to take care with those special mods but inexperienced people will forget or make mistakes that can potentially kill them and certainly maim them or cause significant damage to structures especially when unattended

lets look at e-juice regulation, to regulate the concoctions used to food grade products and only where they pass a GCMS test, something that would prevent a lot of people from purchasing and becoming ill due to dodgy e-juice contents where the poisoning effects are cumulative and take a long time to show up, that prevents inadvertent exposure to harmful or noxious chemicals and can only be a good thing.

if the community succeeds in this current venture all it does it postpone the inevitable, back when there were only a few hundred thousand vapers nobody cared but now its becoming a big thin regulation is required or we will end up in another 50 years with yet another version of the tobacco scandal

personally I would sign a petition if it took into account the above, I have already signed several that don't detract from the above.

I understand the reticence of current commercial mixers to bow to this legislations as it adds a cost they will struggle with, I would suggest there are ways to get that mitigated by having the TPD amended so the GOV/NHS pays for the testing of any formula and then its covered out of their business taxes and they are well within their rights to club together and do just that as a single voice( again I would sign a petition for that as well)

this petition sounds like a great foot stomp idea but in reality its childish and will prove to be totally pointless, worse if its seen as an attempt at blackmail it could net everyone involved with some serious trouble (and it wouldn't take the brains of an archbishop to prove it in court either) so whilst I applaud the spirit of the people behind it I deplore the enactment of that spirit/

[robby]

It`s simple, it`s a petition, you either sign it or you dont, but you dont need to knock people who do sign it. Just move on and maybe do something useful like starting a petition of your own, only maybe try and use a few less words.

[arron]

Done

[Tom]

Signed.

Took 2 seconds max with auto fill.

It may not help but it certainly won't hinder...

We should do all we can really.

[pancser]

Signed

[GeoffUK]

Sorry Robby,

I still cannot sign it. The idea of certain controls and legislation on e-cig products is a good one. While there are many out there who are ethical about where they source their kit, there are many more who will fence any old tat onto the unsuspecting Joe in order to make a fast buck. It is not only dangerous, it puts smokers off vaping and generates anti-vape sentiments among the non-vaping public. A bad thing all round. I feel we do need legislation for e-cig products just not the ill conceived, uninformed nonsense as it currently stands. All 5 Green Party MEPs signed up for it FFS. If you ever needed proof it was completely hatstand, there you go.

If it is direct to Cambuffoon, there is no requirement for him or any of his lackeys to respond, the 10,000/100,000 signature rule applies to petitions filed on the .gov website.

Anyhoo, it would be hypocritical for me to sign that statement since I will be voting to leave the EU regardless. It was a stupid idea when Ted Heath lied through his rumphole in the 70's and it has not improved with age.

[GeoffUK]

Robby,

I just absorbed your second comment above, my earlier post was a response to your earlier point.

Please don't see this as an attack on those who sign the petition. Just as folk have every right to sign it or not, I have the right to explain why I don't want to sign it. I respect the views of others and they may cast their ballot where they will. With no prejudice from me.

Geoff

[robby]

GeoffUK, the supply and demand is working perfectly well as it is, 2.6 million people off the ciggies and vaping (constantly growing the way it is now) certainly many lives saved and certainly many lives extended. That is what it is ALL about to me. At attempt to tap in to the baser instincts of politicians (votes) has no harm in it at all. The supply and demand situation as it is now certainly didn`t stop you from vaping. It will be well publicised if the target is reached and the petition is presented to David Cameron on the steps of Number 10.

The petitions that go through yougov etc will not attract the same attention, they are processed in another way. Many will fade away into the internet ether when they dont get anything like the hoped for 100,000 that this one is trying to get. This is designed to be more "in your face" and public. The backers of this including Clive Bates and Oliver Kershaw (who have a lot more nouse than me about this issue) clearly think it has a chance as do all of the financial backers. They are two of the most influencial vaping advocates as I am sure you know. Many vaping companies are putting their cash where their mouth is in backing this.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and of course I respect that, but other comments describing the people who have signed this as something very uncomplimentary are totally uncalled for and frankly insulting, totally unnecessary. I do not include you in that category Geoff.

Of course some regulation is necessary, especially as regards battery safety and charging etc and none of us would disagree with that. There are countless millions of devices that also carry that problem with the lithium batteries in phones, laptops etc. No one disagrees with that.

[GeoffUK]

robby

Fair enough buddy, I'm still not signing it.

Publicity is good of course and you have won me over on the legitimacy of the petition, I was wrong to assume they were going to fill in the e-petition by proxy but to be fair, they don't explain that very well on their webpage and they are asking for the exact same details as the .gov site.

Unlike politicians, I do not like to "peddle an untruth" and on the matter of the EU vote, I am afraid I still can't sign it. I will however follow it's progress with interest.

Good for you and your passion mate.

[robby]

My passion is vaping freedom Geoff and anything that can protect vaping and keep it growing the way it is now. The TPD as it is will have a very negative effect on both of those things. Thanks for your good wishes

[Bob]

Signed

[djs]

“I want the UK to opt-out of the e-cigarette rules of the
TPD and I will vote to leave the EU if this is not done.”

Too right.

Signed.

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