My Stash. How many years worth?

[lobeydosser]

Having done a stock check about 5 times over to make sure it was correct, ordered up the top ups, got them all stashed away and now felt relaxed about the next 10 years or so, today while looking for an envelope in my filing cabinet, I opened the bottom drawer only to find 2 litre bottles of PG that I had totally forgotten about.
So I guess I will be changing from a 50/50 mix to a 70/30 one, just to use them up.

Gawd this stashing is getting complicated!

[lobeydosser]

PS;- I asked the guy at the counter today, how much were they selling 20 Mayfair super king for.
£8.01.
My gawd and I used to smoke 40 of them a day.
That would be £5847 a year!!!!!
Or, if they stay at that price for the next 10 years, I now have 58,470 quid's worth of juice stashed around the house.
I could buy a few luxury items with that!!!!

[poochops]

Just worked ours out but I'm not sure if I've got this right, please check for me! 3 litres at 72mg is 3000x72 = 216000mg.

We vape 10mg juice at the mo 216000/10 = 21600ml or 21.6 litres.

We vape 6ml a day 21600/6 = 3600 days = 9.86 years.

Is that right? If it is, and we're reducing nic by 2mg every 4 months then?
That's a mental equation, but I doubt we'll need ever by more nic, tell me I've not put a decimal place wrong somewhere please!

[lobeydosser]

Hi poochops, I reckon that most of us that change from smoking to vaping, do so because they cannot give up smoking (nicotine) very easily.

Like others, I thought that perhaps vaping might be a way of slowly giving up nicotine by gradually reducing the amount of nicotine over a long period of time. Afterall, by getting rid of the other chemicals that come in cigarettes, surely getting rid of the last one, the nicotine, would be easier than doing it straight off cigarettes.

Well I was wrong.
My nicotine dependency is a lot stronger than I thought.
So whilst I applaud you and your ideas about cutting down the MG levels in the future, don't base your calculations on what you "might" achieve in the future.
Try it first, over a period of several months and only then, if you are successful, cut down again for a few months.

What we would like to see happen and what actually happens might be 2 very different things.

[phatfil]

now looking at 3l of nic base put by this end.. 1l in the freezer and 2l more bought/pledged to pay for today, that vshould keep me going a while going thru circa 10-20ml @6mg per week..

I canr be arsed to do any calculations, but i reckon i have enough put by to see me till an alternative trusted source is discovered post TPD

[lobeydosser]

Hi phatfil, Yes I did some new calculations today and if I continue to vape at my usual 24mg, I reckon I have enough to do me about 14 years.

OR;-
until I start smoking again by which time I will be halfway up the Crematorium Chimney!

[thatguy]

Just dropped to 1.5mg about a month ago. So 500ml of 72mg yeilds 24 litres of liquid. got 500ml in the freezer, about 200ml in cupboard and intend to buy another 2 litres before doomsday. Between us we go through about 20ml a day so we should be good for almost 10 years.

[poochops]

Nov 28, 2015 0:31:18 GMT lobeydosser said:

Hi poochops, I reckon that most of us that change from smoking to vaping, do so because they cannot give up smoking (nicotine) very easily.

Like others, I thought that perhaps vaping might be a way of slowly giving up nicotine by gradually reducing the amount of nicotine over a long period of time. Afterall, by getting rid of the other chemicals that come in cigarettes, surely getting rid of the last one, the nicotine, would be easier than doing it straight off cigarettes.

Well I was wrong.
My nicotine dependency is a lot stronger than I thought.
So whilst I applaud you and your ideas about cutting down the MG levels in the future, don't base your calculations on what you "might" achieve in the future.
Try it first, over a period of several months and only then, if you are successful, cut down again for a few months.

What we would like to see happen and what actually happens might be 2 very different things.

I understand where you're coming from lobeydosser and were not in any particular mindset to reduce the nic content for any other reason then we can, we started on 24mg at first but quickly dropped to 18 and then over the last 12 months or so we reduced gradually to 10.
I mix about 3 times a year and I make a shed load all in one go, stocks are getting lowish and so I've just took delivery of about £70 worth of our favourite connys, I'll have a mega mixing session soon and make everything 8mg and I know from experience we won't notice the difference.
So we'll be using the last of the 10mg and some of the new 8mg at the same time for a while, and the world will keep turning on its axis, next April I'll make a batch of 6mg and see how it goes, the thing is if we don't like how it feels it's easy enough to add a couple of mil extra base into a 200ml bottle to beef it back up again. All is good

[lobeydosser]

In my "vaping shed" (well it is my workshop as well) I have a bottle of 36mg e-juice.
When it is raining, which is quite often here on the Scottish west coast, I sit at the shed door and wish the sun would come out!!!!!
But if it doesn't, well all my vaping gear is right there, close at hand.

Anyways, if I am working in the garden and things are getting out of hand, I will retreat to the shed and vape furra wee while on the 36mg stuff. That calms me down no end.

For the past couple of years I have been mixing my own and up until now, the 36mg stuff is the only one I buy made up. It is Chocolate Lime flavour from Grizwalds and while it imparts a nice flavour as well as the calming effects, it is certainly not something I would vape for more than a few minutes.
I reckon I am laid back enough. An hour of that and I'd be that laid back I'd be Flat Out.

The thing is, if you CAN cut down and you WANT to cut down then go for it.

Me? Well I have tried it and it didn't work and unless some other unforeseen reason comes along to make me want to try cutting down again, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

But I'll never say never. I don't know what's waiting round the corner.

[cigeliquid]

Nov 25, 2015 14:51:04 GMT lobeydosser said:

As it says and due to the uncertainty of future developments by various government bodies, how many years worth of e-juice chemicals would the members deem appropriate to stash away to ensure my continued vaping pleasure?

if at any point in the future a tax is placed on e-liquids bring the cost up to match the price of cigarettes a good size stash might be better than money in the bank

[lobeydosser]

It is difficult to imagine how they would tax e-juice, in that it is so easy to make your own.
Commodities that are taxed tends to be of the sort that are not able to be made other than by a bona fide factories and therefore have a point of tax source.

Whereas e-cigs and atomisers of whatever kind could be taxed and are a likely target for a tax system.

Because e-juice is not taxable, in my opinion, I can see an outright ban on all but the mildest of vaping equipment being pushed by the tobacco and pharmaceutical companies.

I know how much I have saved in the 3 years since I started vaping and it runs into many thousands of pounds.
Multiply that by the million and a half other vapers and we begin to see just how much revenue that big businesses are losing out on.
A million quid backhander, here and there to the right politician sitting in the right committee would be a drop in the ocean compared to future profits and let's face it, all politicians are sitting where they are today because of the donations their parties receive from big business.

If you want to continue to vape after May 16, then it is up to each individual to decide now how long they wish to continue to vape for and lay in that stash now.
Until May, the ball is in your court. After May, who knows whose court it will be in.

[piratesvapeuk]

Of course you can tax e-liquid - and they will be doing - and to be honest most people who vape haven't the remotest interest in making their own, just as they aren't interested in smoking pipes, rolling their own cigarettes, brewing their own beer etc etc. I would imagine they will also be taxing nicotine rather heavily as well, obviously it won't actually make making your own e-liquid that much more expensive but putting the price up from 60-70p a ml to more like £1.50 a ml is going be a huge deal for people who think 70p is extortionate!

Anyway, no one actually knows exactly what the implementation of the law is going to be yet so..........

With regards to stashing nicotine by the way it might be worth bearing in mind that most people who earn a living working with chemicals suggest that if you put a litre of 7.2% nicotine base in the freezer today when you crack it open in 2030 it will be rather less than 72mg strength. They can't say by how much because no one has done it yet but I have heard an informed guess at between 50-60mg a couple of times.

[phatfil]

Totally agree, the mixing ingredients are common or garden ingredients for all manner of foods a pal who loves his carp fishing has commented that the only difference between my mixing kit and his for making boilies?? is different flavours and that he adds lots of matter to make a ball but the flavouring is diluted in the same pg and vg to disperse we use, also i dont fancy vaping any of his shrimp flavours !!

[lobeydosser]

<<<With regards to stashing nicotine by the way it might be worth bearing in mind that most people who earn a living working with chemicals suggest that if you put a litre of 7.2% nicotine base in the freezer today when you crack it open in 2030 it will be rather less than 72mg strength. They can't say by how much because no one has done it yet but I have heard an informed guess at between 50-60mg a couple of times. >>>

Well piratesvapeuk. I wonder what, if it is still available in 2030, we would be paying for 7.2% nic base?

Can't say I'd be too bothered by adding a few ml more of NB just to top it up a bit, especially buying it at today's prices.

But as no one knows what will happen, at least those that do put a stash bye will not have to worry too much no matter what happens in May.

[cigeliquid]

Dec 3, 2015 20:42:48 GMT lobeydosser said:

<<<With regards to stashing nicotine by the way it might be worth bearing in mind that most people who earn a living working with chemicals suggest that if you put a litre of 7.2% nicotine base in the freezer today when you crack it open in 2030 it will be rather less than 72mg strength. They can't say by how much because no one has done it yet but I have heard an informed guess at between 50-60mg a couple of times. >>>

Well piratesvapeuk. I wonder what, if it is still available in 2030, we would be paying for 7.2% nic base?

Can't say I'd be too bothered by adding a few ml more of NB just to top it up a bit, especially buying it at today's prices.

But as no one knows what will happen, at least those that do put a stash bye will not have to worry too much no matter what happens in May.

The other thing to bear in mind is if you can get hold of black-market nicotine base after may 2017 ( assuming the UK government allows the extra year for stockists to clear the shelf of all non TPD)
The only people willing to risk huge fines and jail time are not very likely to refund if you have a complaint -
Price wise if a blanket tax is imposed at £5.00 per 10ml bottle on all nicotine containing e-liquids up to the max legal strength of 20mg then between £500- and £1000 per lt of 72mg will sound like a real steal

Maths based on the highest strength that will be available after TPD (20mg)
1000ml of 72mg
72mg divided by 20mg = 3.6
3.6 x 1000ml = 3600ml
3600ml divided by 10 = 360x 10ml bottles of 20mg

360 x £5.00 tax per10ml bottle = £1800 tax



if and it is a very big if no TAX is ever imposed on e-liquid you still won't be able to buy any unflavoured e-liquid in bottles over 10ml in size or stronger than 20mg and unless anyone is expecting these 10ml x20mg bottles to be sold at 15p or less each it still makes sense to have a stash