Getting attacked by smokers

[catface26]

In the pub outside and a couple of smokers came out and started talking about how they don't like the smell of vape and they moved. Then one of them started going on about diectyl.

When I said there's 15x more diectyl in cigarette smoke than vape she shut the **** up but still. I didn't provoke anything was just happily drinking my beer. It's like some weird new delusion invented by cigarettes that makes people believe that vaping is loads worse. Never been attacked like that before!

[MrDJ]

you can thank the press and media bollox for that.

[catface26]

One of the women claimed that I thought I was superior because I thought that vaping wasn't dangerous. Like I was showing off about vaping when I didn't instigate anything!
They both said they didn't like the smell of vape. On what planet do you need to be on where the smell of acrid cigarette smoke smells nicer than vapour!! Which happened to be orange and mango flavour which smells lovely!
I used to smoke 20 a day and even when I did I knew how horrible it smelled. Maybe not the smell on myself which I only learned whenever I stopped for a period of time.

My main issue in all of this is why people feel compelled to attack vapers? They don't attack non smokers so what's the problem? Fear that one day their precious cigarettes maybe banned maybe?
I think this because I remember how precious I thought cigarettes were when I smoked.

[Deleted]

As a former smoker don't you remember how hard you would defend it from people until you had made the decision within yourself to quit.....or find an alternative?

I think the smokers you met tonight are using the misinformation out there for bolstering their decision to keep smoking.

Hopefully at some point there will be enough correct information.....and informed people for them to see that continuing to choose to smoke when there are viable alternatives to slowly killing themselves is silly, stubborn and self-destructive.

Sooner the better for that day coming.

[nanotm]

I was recently in town for the pre Christmas market, I ended up outside a shop with a bunch of other people who were all vaping, some filthy retch came up and started moving from one to another blowing smoke at people's faces, I gave him a piece of my mind (which probably wasn't a good idea) and a warning that if he didn't eff off I was going to send the video to the plod and have him done for ABH with intent, he looked totally dumbstruck but did one pretty sharpish, the rest of the crowd seemed overly jubilant that things had gone that way, but I was left wondering why they didn't stand up for themselves....

anyhow after chatting with a few who were seemingly impressed that I had a non ego unit I explained that vape forums like this one existed and they could get loads of advice just by reading through them about different gear and youtube video's explaining just about everything there was to know, several of them whipped out their mobiles and started searching for better kit, one guy even said he hoped to go totally smoke free since he preferred vaping but the ego kit wasn't quite doing it for him, I agreed with him because well I smoked for the first few months as well albeit a lot less than I had done before getting it.

during those few minutes a couple of other smokers overhearing the convo asked about the dangers compared to smoking, I set them straight about it and advised if they wanted to quit and nhs provisioned NRT didn't do it for thme they should also look up the best kit to use, and that my unit might of cost £50 but that's less than a fortnight smoking and then its only the £1 liquid to shove in it every week, that had a few of them looking happy getting clean and saving money.

last week I saw one of them, having investigated and purchased a kit similar to mine he remeberd me enough to say thanks for helping him, especially since the forum he joined had explained the CMO et al were all just scaremongering and afaid of loosing the £100 a month he was spending on fags /

if something similar happened to all smokers the CMO et al would all be out of a job and its about time smokers were actually given the choice with real info and not the "metered dose" options being touted as "the way ahead" they don't work for more than 90% of those who use them because they are metered doses /

[yourgurnard]

Wot gets Me most is this increasing dickotomie dychotami dikottommy    SPLIT ( )'tween vapers & smokers....We've both had draconian controlling legislation imposed on Our habits & should be standing together.......Same old same old; divide & rule & do the Rule-Makers' work for 'em!........

[Bobsbeer]

I suppose we forget that most vapers don't bother looking up forums or even Youtube to get advice. Most will have purchased their kit on the local market or if they are lucky in a B&M. The vast majority of vapers I see all use ego CE4 type equipment, and those I speak to, and they see my Istick TC's etc are amazed and look in wonderment at my techy contraptions. I certainly wouldn't say I was at the forefront of vaping technology, but I'm reasonably up to date. Our discussions on the merits of Ti/Ni/SS or even kanthal would pass so far above their heads we might as well be living on the ISS.

We on here are the informed ones. Those out there are just sheep following along with the herd. So it does not surprise me when people come out with the crap about the dangers of ecigs. I would be the same if someone hadn't pointed me here all those months ago when I started.

[chykensa]

A friend of mine asked me what I thought of the Diacetyl debate a few days ago. When I said that it was a load of BS and that there was 100 times more Diacetyl in a cigaretter than there was in e-juice, she asked me "How do you find out all this stuff? You are so well-informed!".
I suppose we are lucky that we want to talk about our hobby (and for me it is a hobby now), and share articles and opinions amongst ourselves, but people like my friend only have what they read in the press, which as we all know is so lamentably far off the mark it's untrue.
I wonder just how many more people would convert to vaping if they know the true facts rather than the lazy and ill-researched journalism that they get in the press and the media?

[toots]

I've never seen anyone over here using anything other than an ego & ce4 type of setup. No box mods or full size tanks, till tim came over here with his of course 

People look at me as if I'm daft when I get out my box mod & subtank, even those using an ego type e-cig look at me not in wonderment but as though I'm the weird one 

Mostly now I find people that know me expect me to give up vaping altogether, especially when we get talking and I let on that there's zero nicotine in the tank. They cannot understand why I'm still vaping with no nic. One thing they do tend to say to me is that at least I'm not harming myself now that I'm not using nicotine. I give up trying to explain to people that the nicotine is not harmful like has been reported in the media. One good friend of mine was totally surprised a while back when I told her that nicotine wasn't the harmful element she thought it was, she's never been a smoker but has always held a positive interest in my vaping journey.

Lately I've not been approached by any smokers, but last year after some really bad press in the Spanish media, there was a woman who told me in no uncertain terms that vaping was gonna kill me whilst she was happily smoking her cigarette   I just let her ramble on, she obviously was not going to listen to anything I had to say about vaping versus smoking. I also now think it's a smoker's defense mechanism to hit out at vaping.

[lynwlt]

E cigs have worked brilliantly for me for the last (nearly) 6 years, and I had tried just about every smoking cessation aid, apart from having my arms permanently tied behind my back, with zero success.

I didn't want to 'give up' really, just wanted to smoke with impunity, and that is really what I have achieved.
I've converted a few people just by example, and have seen some people 'fail' to convert but who vape as a 'stop gap' until they can smoke.

I don't 'defend' my current habit.
It was a hard won victory given the equipment that was available all those years ago, and, even though I knew from my first toke on a Mirage Cig-a-like that it was going to hit the spot for me, it took quite a lot of money and a certain dedication to stick with it.

It's like every other quitting device. It doesn't suit everyone.

But I am so glad it worked for me!!

[djs]

Thankfully, where I live Vaping has become fairly normal.

When people say - "it's more dangerous than smoking" I say "up to you, take your chances on either, I don't care"....

Smokers know that vaping isn't as bad. Antagonism simply makes them feel better.

I really don't care either. Now, if someone wants to talk about it, then we can talk.

I feel for you though.

[Deleted]

Dec 19, 2015 22:00:41 GMT catface26 said:

In the pub outside and a couple of smokers came out and started talking about how they don't like the smell of vape and they moved. Then one of them started going on about diectyl.

When I said there's 15x more diectyl in cigarette smoke than vape she shut the **** up but still. I didn't provoke anything was just happily drinking my beer. It's like some weird new delusion invented by cigarettes that makes people believe that vaping is loads worse. Never been attacked like that before!

I have had a similar thing happen to me a few times. Once outside a station where a smoker had a go at me for the disgusting smell, and a couple of other occasions when I was told it was more dangerous than smoking. I haven't had the Dactyl debate with anyone yet.

To be honest there probably isn't a smoker in Britain that hasn't heard of vaping, it is their choice. They can choose be in denial or not. I always help a smoker who asks me about vaping and what I would recommend, I have even given away a pro-tank or two when the cig-a-like or CE5 just isn't doing for them. But for those that just insult me or tell me that smoking is less harmful I just walk away now, the info is there they just have to go and look for it. 

All of this is the consequence of 'link-bait' headlines from the media and equivocation from government and official bodies. When e cigs are going to be more heavily regulated than real fags then the message it is sending out will be mis-interpreted.*

On the upside I was out side at work (yes I got a bit of freelancing before christmas) there were five people vaping, and no smokers. That wouldn't have happened even a year ago

Nick

* for example the requirement to deliver an even dose of nicotine with every puff

[davetherayon]

Different experience at work, the number of vapers has been climbing over the year I've been there. Not due to any proseltysing, I just quietly vape in the corner and every now and again someone asks about the juice or mod I'm using. Folk are making up their minds in their own time, sure some will swallow the antz crap being spewed out by the press, but others do their own research (which can be as straightforward as buying that vape kit from the garage they use) and decide to give it a punt.

[nanotm]

yeah I don't go up to people and try to extol the virtues, I greatly dislike it when the doorstoppers do that for whatever there pushing, but if people ask I will give them some pointers on where to look for info or types of devices but other than detailing what my device is I wouldn't tell anyone else to get something similar, far to many people on the street have no interst in something so simplistically complex as a 30w istick with a mini nautilus tank /

[purple1234]

Me when smokers attack