Muji cotton changed: new cotton needed

[yahoo2u2]

May 17, 2016 15:37:02 GMT SteveF said:

I ordered a couple of Serpent minis from Creme de Vape and added a pack of cotton bacon and a meter of rayon.

The serpents are great, simple and compact, it was fairly easy to fit some 5 turn fused claptons (0.37x2/33g wrap).

One mini with Cotton Bacon.....comes it an easy seal packet, its cotton, you have to pull it apart, had to trim it back in the juice wells (first build) because imo it had expanded and pulled down with the chimney
I couldn't tell the difference between that and GKD and maybe a ml of juice behind the Puff. So definitely reduced break in time.

One with Rayon...I had previously read that it doesn't expand the same as OC and that you could pack the coils a little tighter.
Again the wick was a little too long, easily remedied as the glass stays tight to the top ( this time)
No break in time, wick n vape. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the Cotton Bacon, if anything its a little better than Bacon, GKD or even Drago aka- the Egyptian carpet underlay.

So the very first person to reply to this thread yahoo2u2 ...... its only taken four months to get there

You are correct it does not expand like cotton, but it seems not to add anything to the juice, so it does seem a better vape.  Of course you need to get the wicking correct for the atty, but once you do it can run for months without issues.

[nanotm]

May 17, 2016 16:41:37 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

You are correct it does not expand like cotton, but it seems not to add anything to the juice, so it does seem a better vape.  Of course you need to get the wicking correct for the atty, but once you do it can run for months without issues.

eww months ? I strip my atty down and clean it every other week and I have to dry burn the regularly to get rid of all that filthy black crud it gets crusted in far more often than that, I hate to think how gunged up the chimney and deck would be after months ......

[VapingBad]

May 17, 2016 23:29:40 GMT nanotm said:

May 17, 2016 16:41:37 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

You are correct it does not expand like cotton, but it seems not to add anything to the juice, so it does seem a better vape.  Of course you need to get the wicking correct for the atty, but once you do it can run for months without issues.

eww months ? I strip my atty down and clean it every other week and I have to dry burn the regularly to get rid of all that filthy black crud it gets crusted in far more often than that, I hate to think how gunged up the chimney and deck would be after months ......

eww weeks ? with cotton/rayon every day, two max , gennies a week, this is an SS316 build that is a day dirty .

[yahoo2u2]

LOL, I do wash them, maybe months was over the top, but my Kanger pre-built coils for example are lasting weeks and weeks and you cant dry burn these and I suspect many others are the same.

[Deleted]

I'm dry burning and wicking about every three days on these little atties. Good job I have multiples. Using cotton bacon at the moment. A clean wick doesn't half make a difference to flavour. Got to say, serpent mini wins hands down for me

[nanotm]

well this is the one bit I haven't rewicked for about 3 weeks, although its probably only had 4 tanks through it in that time being the menthol its not used like the custard is




compare that to this


which is a days worth on a brand new build

[VapingBad]

I try hard to avoid dry burning these days, it's ultrasonic, oven cleaner then ultrasonic again ATM, but I am looking for ways to improve this.

[DiscoDes]

May 18, 2016 9:41:11 GMT VapingBad said:

I try hard to avoid dry burning these days, it's ultrasonic, oven cleaner then ultrasonic again ATM, but I am looking for ways to improve this.

Oven Cleaner!

Do you mean Mr Muscle or something ????

[nanotm]

yeah I don't have an ultrasonic unit although i'm considering getting one, I do have a question about it, do you have to use the cleaner fluid or does it work just as well with plain water ?

[nanotm]

May 18, 2016 9:46:56 GMT DiscoDes said:

May 18, 2016 9:41:11 GMT VapingBad said:

I try hard to avoid dry burning these days, it's ultrasonic, oven cleaner then ultrasonic again ATM, but I am looking for ways to improve this.

Oven Cleaner!

Do you mean Mr Muscle or something ????

I would of thought either orange clean or the ammonia based stuff would do a better job at de gunking than my muscle which tends to require some serious working from a stiff brush lol

[catface26]

Haven't looked back after switching to cotton bacon.

[VapingBad]

May 18, 2016 9:46:56 GMT DiscoDes said:

May 18, 2016 9:41:11 GMT VapingBad said:

I try hard to avoid dry burning these days, it's ultrasonic, oven cleaner then ultrasonic again ATM, but I am looking for ways to improve this.

Oven Cleaner!

Do you mean Mr Muscle or something ????

Oven pride, only metal touches it and it gets a rinse then at least 10 mins in the ultrasonic after, but it still needed 2 goes to get the coil I pictured proper clean, it's been soaking in oven pride for about 6 hours.  I reckon it will leave less behind than dry burning.  I was using acetone before, but still need a dry burn most of the time with that.

After 10 mins Ultrasonic


30 mins in Oven pride then rinse



Close up

[DiscoDes]

May 18, 2016 9:48:10 GMT nanotm said:

yeah I don't have an ultrasonic unit although i'm considering getting one, I do have a question about it, do you have to use the cleaner fluid or does it work just as well with plain water ?

Most of the time I just use warm plain water, you could use a denture tablet.

It works by cavitation en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation so you don't really need another cleaner most of the time.

[VapingBad]

May 18, 2016 9:48:10 GMT nanotm said:

yeah I don't have an ultrasonic unit although i'm considering getting one, I do have a question about it, do you have to use the cleaner fluid or does it work just as well with plain water ?

I use Screwfix No Nonsense Degreaser it's the closest I could get at a reasonable price to what the Yanks call simple green (water based, non-toxic degreaser). Warm - hot water as well will help, although I don't bother it is one of the things I will be systematically trying in the near future.

ETA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic_cleaning

Cleaning solution

Ultrasonic activity (cavitation) helps the solution to do its job; plain water would not normally be effective. The cleaning solution contains ingredients designed to make ultrasonic cleaning more effective. For example, reduction of surface tension increases cavitation levels, so the solution contains a good wetting agent (surfactant). Aqueous cleaning solutions contain detergents, wetting agents and other components, and have a large influence on the cleaning process. Correct composition of the solution is very dependent upon the item cleaned. Solutions are mostly used warm, at about 50–65 °C (122–149 °F), however, in medical applications it is generally accepted that cleaning should be at temperatures below 45 °C (113 °F) to prevent protein coagulation.

Water-based solutions are more limited in their ability to remove contaminants by chemical action alone than solvent solutions; e.g. for delicate parts covered with thick grease. The effort required to design an effective aqueous-cleaning system for a particular purpose is much greater than for a solvent system.

Some machines (which are not unduly large) are integrated with vapour degreasing machines using hydrocarbon cleaning fluids: Three tanks are used in a cascade. The lower tank containing dirty fluid is heated causing the fluid to evaporate. At the top of the machine there is a refrigeration coil. Fluid condenses on the coil and falls into the upper tank. The upper tank eventually overflows and clean fluid runs into the work tank where the cleaning takes place. Purchase price is higher than simpler machines, but such machines are economical in the long run. The same fluid can be reused many times, minimising wastage and pollution.

[nanotm]

well for future reference a whole orange skin placed into the bottom tier of a stove top steamer with the broken down atty's in the strainer section above and the lid on will loosen off the majority of the gunk on t he coil, then you can run it under a hot tap and leave to air dry it might need a couple of goes in the steamer to fully get rid of the discolouration, similarly a pyrex bowl on the bottom shelf of a cold oven with some just boiled water and orange peel in will loosen off any crud In the oven (totally natural and non toxic) and less mess than using a steam cleaner (although I have one of those that I use regularly on the bbq and the lino floors)

also a lot cheaper than buying the cleaner, although for he microwave the best option is to put cold water and orange peel in the pyrex bowl then switch it on for 2 minutes (boils the water) and leave the door closed for half an hour whilke it works its magic