Safe custard concentrates

[chill]

I've posted this on uk vapers but thought It wouldn't hurt to ask here also .

I'm looking for safe custard concentrates and what your opinion is of each . Im Looking For Some Thing Nice And Rich And Creamy Without The Nasties

[RangersBillyBoy]

Feb 14, 2016 14:36:04 GMT chill said:

I've posted this on uk vapers but thought It wouldn't hurt to ask here also .

I'm looking for safe custard concentrates and what your opinion is of each . Im Looking For Some Thing Nice And Rich And Creamy Without The Nasties

kreed you're the expert.

[Perpetua]

How nasty are the nasties is a moot point chill . . . . depends whether or not you choose to believe the misinformation that's been bandied around without a shred of any evidence whatsoever.

It isn't just Custard concentrates that contain Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl, which when heated can cause naturally occurring Diacetyl - there are many other popular concentrates that also contain these compounds.

This chart speaks volumes for me:

 



As an alternative to add a creamy taste to flavourings, Butyric Acid may now be used - the effects of inhalation are unknown to the best of my knowledge, additionally it tastes not very pleasant and rather waxy.

However if you're set on having a tasteless Custard eliquid, then Capella have a V2 version and any of the Mix Master range are also free from Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl.

[VapingBad]

I was with 5 other vapers on Friday filming a bit for Horizon with Michael Mosley and when he asked us if we were worried about vaping liquid with diacetyl in we all said "No" as the level as so much lower than from burnt tobbacco and there has never been a reported case of popcorn lung from smoking.

[RangersBillyBoy]

Feb 14, 2016 14:47:29 GMT Perpetua said:

How nasty are the nasties is a moot point chill . . . . depends whether or not you choose to believe the misinformation that's been bandied around without a shred of any evidence whatsoever.

It isn't just Custard concentrates that contain Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl, which when heated can cause naturally occurring Diacetyl - there are many other popular concentrates that also contain these compounds.

This chart speaks volumes for me:

 



As an alternative to add a creamy taste to flavourings, Butyric Acid may now be used - the effects of inhalation are unknown to the best of my knowledge, additionally it tastes not very pleasant and rather waxy.

However if you're set on having a tasteless Custard eliquid, then Capella have a V2 version and any of the Mix Master range are also free from Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl.

Perfect Mandy.

[RangersBillyBoy]

Feb 14, 2016 14:47:36 GMT VapingBad said:

I was with 5 other vapers on Friday filming a bit for Horizon with Michael Mosley and when he asked us if we were worried about vaping liquid with diacetyl in we all said "No" as the level as so much lower than from burnt tobbacco and there has never been a reported case of popcorn lung from smoking.

Of course this is true but it doesn't aid sensationalism for the media.

[VapingBad]

The BBC tested 8 liquids and found very very low levels (0.0x % IIRC) of Acetoin in a Vanilla Custard and a Banoffee Pie flavour, but didn't find any trace diacetyl what so ever.

[Perpetua]

Feb 14, 2016 15:07:42 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

Perfect Mandy.

Thanks Dom.


The crazy part in all this non issue, is that in order to get any decent level of enjoyable richness/creaminess in the reworked formula's, then concentrates using Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl are quite likely to be used.

Makes no sense to me. 

[RangersBillyBoy]

Feb 14, 2016 15:14:12 GMT Perpetua said:

Feb 14, 2016 15:07:42 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

Perfect Mandy.

Thanks Dom.


The crazy part in all this non issue, is that in order to get any decent level of enjoyable richness/creaminess in the reworked formula's, then concentrates using Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl are quite likely to be used.

Makes no sense to me. 

I'm so frustrated regarding the BS. Even some vapers have no idea. 
This is in no way related to the OP.

[VapingBad]

Feb 14, 2016 15:11:14 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

Feb 14, 2016 14:47:36 GMT VapingBad said:

I was with 5 other vapers on Friday filming a bit for Horizon with Michael Mosley and when he asked us if we were worried about vaping liquid with diacetyl in we all said "No" as the level as so much lower than from burnt tobbacco and there has never been a reported case of popcorn lung from smoking.

Of course this is true but it doesn't aid sensationalism for the media.

You had to be there, the point is we all understood the relative risks and I am confident that this will come out in the program, though anything can happen in editing, but if we don't tell the truth how can we complain when others don't.  jessica said it may worry her if she just vaped a liquid with an acetyl in exclusively, but she vapes many flavours so it does not and it took a few goes for them to get the full response with out background noise so they obviously wanted that.  A few times we had to repeat things to for a different camera angle, but they were either positive or neutral points, never negative.  Now they can't do a 100% positive endorsement or would be accused of bias, but I fell it will be fair and the whole subject is a no-briner.

It should be on before the TPD is law, so probably early May, and just in case they edit me out I go a pic with Michael Mosley so you know I'm not making it up

[Perpetua]

Feb 14, 2016 15:20:14 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

I'm so frustrated regarding the BS. Even some vapers have no idea. 
This is in no way related to the OP.

Me to and likewise RangersBillyBoy . . . . though I also look on these type of threads as an opportunity to do some setting straight of the record.

In the hope it does allay and put to rest some of the concerns that have been whipped up quite needlessly.

[RangersBillyBoy]

Feb 14, 2016 15:24:10 GMT Perpetua said:

Feb 14, 2016 15:20:14 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

I'm so frustrated regarding the BS. Even some vapers have no idea. 
This is in no way related to the OP.

Me to and likewise RangersBillyBoy . . . . though I also look on these type of threads as an opportunity to do some setting straight of the record.

In the hope it does allay and put to rest some of the concerns that have been whipped up quite needlessly.

This is why this forum is chuffing awesome as its populated by folk who actually do know what they're talking about.

I'll resist the urge to post regarding a conversation regarding e-cigs at Tesco yesterday with a staff member who was serving on the tobacco counter. I'm still fuming.

[Perpetua]

Feb 14, 2016 15:28:28 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

I'll resist the urge to post regarding a conversation regarding e-cigs at Tesco yesterday with a staff member who was serving on the tobacco counter. I'm still fuming.

I can unfortunately imagine, much the same type of conversations I have with smokers in our Smoking Shelter at work . . . . .

[RangersBillyBoy]

Feb 14, 2016 15:31:01 GMT Perpetua said:

Feb 14, 2016 15:28:28 GMT RangersBillyBoy said:

I'll resist the urge to post regarding a conversation regarding e-cigs at Tesco yesterday with a staff member who was serving on the tobacco counter. I'm still fuming.

I can unfortunately imagine, much the same type of conversations I have with smokers in our Smoking Shelter at work . . . . .

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's bloody dangerous. If she is telling smokers what she told me about e-cigs there is no way they'd consider switching.

[chill]

I haven't been mixing long and only really used flavour art concentrates so far which are great and I think that it states they don't use any of the dekatones etc in thier concentrates . I've tried thier custard but wasn't overly keen .

so you say that the risk posed by dekatones is minimal and not to much to worry about ?