Is this true or not ?

[markus]

On Approved Vapers (facebook group) someone has claimed that.....  "there is no such thing as second hand vape. Nicotine is absorbed so quickly into the system there is none present on exhale"

Apparently they got this info from the Uk health association ???

I cant find any info on their page about this, would anyone have any knowledge or info about this claim ?

I cant see it as being true, my logic kicks in & tells me its wrong, otherwise this claim means..... when you breathe in the vapour your lungs absorb all of the nicotine & you just exhale VG, PG & flavourings.....OR your lungs absorb the vapour & you exhale a different vapour....???

They then go on to claim that "Also proven that vapor breathed out is cleaner than air breathed out alone. PG is used in hospital air conditioning"

Personally I think he's on the wacky backy !

Anyone ??

[Postmodern Smoking]

Some interesting info and links on secondhand vapour here

[Postmodern Smoking]

Professor John Britton and Dr Ilze Bogdanovica, from the UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Control Studies, in a report commissioned by the Public Health England summarised the current knowledge by saying...

"... laboratory work suggests that electronic cigarette use in an enclosed space exposes others to nicotine at levels about one tenth generated by a cigarette, but little else. The health risks of passive exposure to electronic cigarette vapour are therefore likely to be extremely low."

[markus]

Thanks, so it confirms exactly what my logic is telling me, there is a very small amount of nicotine in exhaled vapour....& in an enclosed space with others vaping it could build up to higher amounts.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Feb 27, 2016 18:12:43 GMT markus said:

Thanks, so it confirms exactly what my logic is telling me, there is a very small amount of nicotine in exhaled vapour....& in an enclosed space with others vaping it could build up to higher amounts.

Remember nicotine isn't a big bad villain in secondhand smoke (or vapour); in secondhand smoke it is the smoke particulates, tar, etc.... From what I can make out, concentrations of nicotine in secondhand vapour will be VERY low and, as I'm sure that you're aware, nicotine is also present in quite a few common vegetables. You will likely consume more nicotine eating a tomato or potato, than being in a room of vapers.

[Bobsbeer]

Feb 27, 2016 18:12:43 GMT markus said:

Thanks, so it confirms exactly what my logic is telling me, there is a very small amount of nicotine in exhaled vapour....& in an enclosed space with others vaping it could build up to higher amounts.

Probably true, but it is also dependant on the nic concentration in the juice being vaped.  Many will be on a low concentration, so the resultant passive concentration will be low.

[Postmodern Smoking]

A comparison of vegetable consumption to nicotine from TOBACCO smoke (article here)



Remember nicotine of secondhand vapour will be around 1/10th this.

[djs]

I also think it is impossible for exhaled vapour to be 100% free of Nicotine (and PG/VG)
I could happily believe it could be 90% less than the vapour inhaled initially, but 100% is a big ask.

It depends how one might define 2nd-hand vape. It exists (anyone sitting with a vaper will notice something comes out on the exhale... I mean, look at cloud chasing.. ), but is it dangerous? Almost certainly not.

In fairness, I expect most people are simply happy to accept any 2nd-hand vapour is really close to totally harmless.

[yahoo2u2]

Its a fact that nicotine is highly addictive and we all know that, but the general public think that smoking and its killer is nicotine and not the additives and tar that blocks the lungs and causes the mutation of cells into cancer cells, IMHO.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Feb 27, 2016 21:07:19 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Its a fact that nicotine is highly addictive and we all know that, but the general public think that smoking and its killer is nicotine and not the additives and tar that blocks the lungs and causes the mutation of cells into cancer cells, IMHO.

Remember this?:

[yahoo2u2]

yep. The population think NIC-OTINE is the beast that kills.

[djs]

Feb 27, 2016 21:07:19 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Its a fact that nicotine is highly addictive and we all know that, but the general public think that smoking and its killer is nicotine and not the additives and tar that blocks the lungs and causes the mutation of cells into cancer cells, IMHO.

I met a healthcare professional not so long ago who said Nicotine was responsible for just about everything from soggy chips to cellulitis to banking disasters.

I asked if I was sensible to vape instead of smoke..... he wasn't sure. w.t.h?

This is the crap we have to deal with. Some of these people earn £125,000 a year... and they don't know anything.

[sydsut]

Feb 27, 2016 21:07:19 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Its a fact that nicotine is highly addictive and we all know that, but the general public think that smoking and its killer is nicotine and not the additives and tar that blocks the lungs and causes the mutation of cells into cancer cells, IMHO.

This is now under review by a number of scientists and research centres as all the early research was conducted with relation to Smoking and not on it's own. Expect this to change over the next few months as results start to come in.

[yahoo2u2]

Well I suspect they can review all they want and probably get results they want. But I know in my heart that nicotine is so addictive.

[markus]

Feb 27, 2016 19:06:32 GMT djs said:

I also think it is impossible for exhaled vapour to be 100% free of Nicotine (and PG/VG)
I could happily believe it could be 90% less than the vapour inhaled initially, but 100% is a big ask.

It depends how one might define 2nd-hand vape. It exists (anyone sitting with a vaper will notice something comes out on the exhale... I mean, look at cloud chasing.. ), but is it dangerous? Almost certainly not.

In fairness, I expect most people are simply happy to accept any 2nd-hand vapour is really close to totally harmless.

I'll certainly agree with that, infact I'd say youre safer sat in a room of vapers than if you drove down the M4 with a window open, the only thing I find with vaping is I cant do too much in the living room because my O/H starts coughing (she's never smoked) so I wonder how its affecting her & my little girl (hence why im trying to find out)

Thats a good point Bobsbeer, I guess you could safely assume anyone blowing big clouds is probubaly going to be on a low nic level.

Thanks for the replies peeps.....I do know its not the nicotine thats the dangerous part in standard smoking & it only gets a bad rap because its usually just linked to smoking...we get exposed to other things in the air far more dangerous than nicotine everyday