Is this true or not ?

[sydsut]

Feb 27, 2016 21:56:56 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Well I suspect they can review all they want and probably get results they want. But I know in my heart that nicotine is so addictive.

Brainwashed into believing it more like, if your told a thing is so by the authorities for long enough one will believe it after a while. Look at the numbers of peeps on here who have cut down from very high nicotine content (20mg - 30mg) ejuice to very low (2mg - 3mg) and indeed cut it out entirely. I wouldn't expect this if it was as addictive as they say. Indeed I'd like to see a change from NRT (Nicotine Replacement Therapy) to TRT (Tobacco Replacement Therapy) as you say its the tobacco and smoking that does the damage.

[yahoo2u2]

Interesting view and maybe the case.

[markus]

Feb 27, 2016 22:19:03 GMT sydsut said:

Feb 27, 2016 21:56:56 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Well I suspect they can review all they want and probably get results they want. But I know in my heart that nicotine is so addictive.

Brainwashed into believing it more like, if your told a thing is so by the authorities for long enough one will believe it after a while. Look at the numbers of peeps on here who have cut down from very high nicotine content (20mg - 30mg) ejuice to very low (2mg - 3mg) and indeed cut it out entirely. I wouldn't expect this if it was as addictive as they say. Indeed I'd like to see a change from NRT (Nicotine Replacement Therapy) to TRT (Tobacco Replacement Therapy) as you say its the tobacco and smoking that does the damage.

Isnt it just like most other additive substances ?.....if you gradually lower the amount the body becomes less dependant on it ?

[GunJack]

Feb 27, 2016 23:05:45 GMT markus said:

Feb 27, 2016 22:19:03 GMT sydsut said:

Brainwashed into believing it more like, if your told a thing is so by the authorities for long enough one will believe it after a while. Look at the numbers of peeps on here who have cut down from very high nicotine content (20mg - 30mg) ejuice to very low (2mg - 3mg) and indeed cut it out entirely. I wouldn't expect this if it was as addictive as they say. Indeed I'd like to see a change from NRT (Nicotine Replacement Therapy) to TRT (Tobacco Replacement Therapy) as you say its the tobacco and smoking that does the damage.

Isnt it just like most other additive substances ?.....if you gradually lower the amount the body becomes less dependant on it ?

However, in a couple of studies where never-smokers were given NRT patches, not one of them developed an addiction to nicotine... can't find the links at present, but they have been widely quoted in other "how addictive is nicotine" discussions & papers. Just goes to show it's nowhere near as addictive as was thought, it's the other additives in tobacco which are far more addictive either in isolation or in combination to the nicotine...

[sydsut]

Feb 27, 2016 23:05:45 GMT markus said:

Feb 27, 2016 22:19:03 GMT sydsut said:

Brainwashed into believing it more like, if your told a thing is so by the authorities for long enough one will believe it after a while. Look at the numbers of peeps on here who have cut down from very high nicotine content (20mg - 30mg) ejuice to very low (2mg - 3mg) and indeed cut it out entirely. I wouldn't expect this if it was as addictive as they say. Indeed I'd like to see a change from NRT (Nicotine Replacement Therapy) to TRT (Tobacco Replacement Therapy) as you say its the tobacco and smoking that does the damage.

Isnt it just like most other additive substances ?.....if you gradually lower the amount the body becomes less dependant on it ?

It's often described by the authorities as more or the same addictive level than heroin, and yet incredibly peeps on here and elsewhere can reduce it very quickly without all the terrible side effects of heroin withdrawal. We would be having hallucinations, sweats etc. but none of this has been reported. Look on the vapers.org.uk - Nothing About Us. Without Us. link and search for the articles on "Just how addictive is nicotine" for some more scientific info from the real experts and scientists without an axe to grind.

[yahoo2u2]

I dont think you can even compare the two. The studies say that the craving for nicotine and heroin are the same in terms of the receptors in the brain needing the hit and the bodies reaction to not getting the hit.

However, you cannot say they are the same.

Its possible to slowly reduce the intake of nicotine to a zero level as we have seen.

[chykensa]

I'm sure that I have read somewhere that using juices sub-ohm at nic levels of less than 6mg, and your body is not strictly dependent on it; there is no physical addiction, merely a 'hand-to-mouth' addiction. This might go some way to explaining how vapers are able to cut out nicotine completely once they get their nic levels down - sub-ohm vaping may be playing a bigger part in all this than we first thought!?

[anon4]

Feb 28, 2016 0:18:58 GMT chykensa said:

I'm sure that I have read somewhere that using juices sub-ohm at nic levels of less than 6mg, and your body is not strictly dependent on it; there is no physical addiction, merely a 'hand-to-mouth' addiction. This might go some way to explaining how vapers are able to cut out nicotine completely once they get their nic levels down - sub-ohm vaping may be playing a bigger part in all this than we first thought!?

While it may help as you get a physical hit and a big one at that with sub ohm tanks and the likes I get ratty if I don't get my nic. I used 12mg for quite a while on "sub ohm" setups (clouds can be achieved above 1ohm) and only moved to 6mg recently because I was getting fed up of throat irritation and mouth ulcers. I still don't feel like I get the hit I used to and other peoples cigs have started smelling nice again. Nicotine rewires the brain over time and addictive personalities struggle with it's removal or reduction. On the flipside a colleague is using 0mg on a triton and only just started vaping, says the addiction is all in his head and still can't do without the vape. For me it's the effects that I look for, if I don't feel lifted after an energy drink I have another. If I don't feel tipsy after 4 cans I buy more. I've always been wired that way and done worse substances in the past, I still miss them after 5 long years too. I'm programmed to be an addict but to determined not to be, I'm doing well in life but I'm not doing without my nicotine and a couple of cans on a friday. Sorry for the rant lol

[markus]

No rants here anon4, some good points made by both you and others replying.
I guess another thing to think about is we're not all exactly the same & the intake & reduction of nicotine will affect some people more than others.

[anon4]

Feb 28, 2016 1:14:11 GMT markus said:

No rants here anon4, some good points made by both you and others replying.
I guess another thing to think about is we're not all exactly the same & the intake & reduction of nicotine will affect some people more than others.

Exactly, I've heard of people just sucking an unlit cigarette to quit or a pen. For me I'm the rare type that enjoyed the morning "baccy buzz" and spent the rest of the day chasing that feeling. I don't think I could be a full on drug addict or alcoholic because once something stops affecting me I get bored and move on. Except for nicotine. It's real, it's like heroin for some. People quit smoking and are never quite the same. My gf quit when she was pregnant with our lovely daughter and that lasted all of a week once she was born. I was addicted to nicotine, she is addicted to cigarettes. She is trying to vape but can't go without a fag until the evening when she watches her tv shows and vapes away on her nebox. I quit within a week on a ce4 with 24mg

[jtc]

I am starting to wonder about this myself and I'm now making my new batches at 2mg in the view to going zero nic within the next 12 months.
But here's a true story.
My friend got in a taxi and the driver asked if my friend minded if he vaped.
My friend said no problem as I vape myself, so they're driving along vaping and chatting.
My friend asked the driver what nic level he was on and this was the reply.

'funny you should ask that as I bought this kit around 6 months ago and I've been vaping quite happily and found it easy to keep away from cigarettes. It was only about 2 weeks ago I realised I'd been vaping zero nic and tbh I'm quite happy so now I'll stick with it'

I found this very interesting and it certainly points towards a lot could just be that we are creatures of habit

[nanotm]

on a personal level I do think there is a nicotine addiction but I am thinking that its down to the dose rate.

when I smoked it was between 10 and 30 rollies a day (depending on the day) when I started to vape (3mg -juice) I was still smoking, someone told me to up the strength so I did to 6 then 12 then 18 then 24, at 24mg (it only took me a couple of months to get there) I no longer felt the compulsion to smoke (the 7.5w ego unit +tank wasn't exactly a good delivery system though) when I stepped up to a better hardware I instantly found the 24mg too strong and dropped to 18, that quickly fell down to 12 (maybe 2 weeks because I was starting to get the shakes and dizziness after a couple of puffs in quick succession and that was the indicator to drop the strength the first time round) I got a sub ohm setup and was able to drop down to 3mg, then I tried to drop after a month on that but I started to crave fags, I went back to 3mg and it went away....


I suspect there is a level of addiction, but I also suspect that in order to trigger that addiction you need exposure to higher dose rates possibly over a longer period of time, but then maybe none of you have ever felt that or maybe its just something that happens at a particular point in vaping, it just seems a little too co-incidental for there not to be something to it, then again I cant function without a cup of coffee first thing in the morning ...

[GunJack]

Feb 28, 2016 9:56:17 GMT nanotm said:

I cant function without a cup of coffee first thing in the morning ...

whereas I always have to have two immediately after each other, then another 12 or so through the day.....

..I have cut down since xmas, was on 20+ a day, luurrve my coffee

[nanotm]

Feb 28, 2016 22:02:36 GMT GunJack said:

Feb 28, 2016 9:56:17 GMT nanotm said:

I cant function without a cup of coffee first thing in the morning ...

whereas I always have to have two immediately after each other, then another 12 or so through the day.....

..I have cut down since xmas, was on 20+ a day, luurrve my coffee

I used to be like that when I worked 2 or 3 cups before leaving the house then a steady stream all day until I went home, but then I was often in the office until 10pm and always back by 7am ... and half the time I was called out in the night as well, we often joked that if it wasn't for the caffeine and nicotine ingestion then we wouldn't do any work because we were so dog tired still used to run 5+ miles cross country every day though on top of walking a minimum of 3 miles to/from work .... never felt healthy though, mostly I just felt like going to sleep

its been many years since that time though and with my slower pace of life I can get by without the excess of stimulants, although it probably took me about 2 years to drop my caffeine habit down to single figures on coffee.... don't get me wrong I still like a good cup of the stuff I'm just not relying on it to get me through the day any more

[anon4]

I must admit since cutting from 12mg to 6mg I'm finding more habit than addiction. My habits remain the same but I don't feel as dependant when I need at vape. I still need it but feel less angry when something interrupts. I do need a wake and vape to function though