FT shipping batteries bye bye

[ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza]

fast tech use nl services also so your skipping a week or so on delivery time and saving a little pennys

[calnorth]

Mar 4, 2016 17:25:14 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

calnorth 12 euros shipping thats it dpd they use

ok see who is attracted.. I'll start if you like?

calnorth - 5 x Sony Konion US18650VTC5 3.7V 2600mAh

[calnorth]

Mar 4, 2016 17:27:39 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

fast tech use nl services also so your skipping a week or so on delivery time and saving a little pennys

Think I now know what GearBest meant today when they said NL

[ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza]

Mar 4, 2016 17:32:03 GMT calnorth said:

Mar 4, 2016 17:25:14 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

calnorth 12 euros shipping thats it dpd they use

ok see who is attracted.. I'll start if you like?

calnorth - 5 x Sony Konion US18650VTC5 3.7V 2600mAh

may need to start it in a group buy section am not needing any but amsure folks would like the good prices while buying in bulk from that site

[calnorth]

Mar 4, 2016 17:37:20 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

Mar 4, 2016 17:32:03 GMT calnorth said:

ok see who is attracted.. I'll start if you like?

calnorth - 5 x Sony Konion US18650VTC5 3.7V 2600mAh

may need to start it in a group buy section am not needing any but amsure folks would like the good prices while buying in bulk from that site

ah yes!

[jtc]

Mar 4, 2016 17:18:16 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

guys why not plan a group buy on batterys from eu.nkon.nl/
more bought cheaper gets and well they be here faster
and only pay one shipping

just did a wee test order 50 vtc5s for 5 folks would be around 35 to door
thats including 1st class recorded at our end 10 bats each for that price is ok i think

other bats are cheaper also could work out well just an idea

10 vtc5s from ft works out 45£

Good link that
Are we happy to trust them then?

[ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza]

jtc amsure very safe to use them

[ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza]

group buy on batterys link allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/62022/batterys-group-buy?page=1&scrollTo=1069665

[jtc]

Mar 4, 2016 17:47:59 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

jtc amsure very safe to use them

Nice one
I luvs a bargain me does

[ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza]

Mar 4, 2016 17:49:18 GMT jtc said:

Mar 4, 2016 17:47:59 GMT ㅤㅤㅤUg/Zuza said:

jtc amsure very safe to use them

Nice one
I luvs a bargain me does

Dont we all

[sydsut]

It appears that Fasttech are not honouring the CNY discount code as I stuck in a digital watch (dead big explosive battery I know, you see one handed peeps walking about all the time as their watches exploded and left them handless ). They asked if I wanted to cancel it and I asked about the discount but they replied in the negative.

[Lee]

If anyone has 45 minutes to kill, here is a national geographic program on a plane that had a cargo of them

[calnorth]

This is from the Final Report (page 122+) for that incident lee

Uncontained Cargo Fire Leading to Loss of Control
Inflight and Uncontrolled Descent Into Terrain
Boeing 747-44AF
N571UP
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
03 September 2010


Specific packaging requirements for shipment should include the following:
• Requiring that cells or batteries be separated to prevent short circuits
• Requiring “strong outer packaging” or UN specification packaging
• Limits on the numbers of cells or batteries placed in a single package
• Specific labels for outer packages
• Hazardous material shipping training for employees engaged in packaging cells or batteries for
transport

Lithium-ion battery reliability and safety is generally considered a function of the entirety of the cell, pack, system design, and manufacture, dependent on a robust quality process and benchmarked to international standards.


To undertake the above is quite a challenge. All batteries for despatch would need examination before loading by the look of it to be adequately confident. Think production needs to be in user countries to eliminate any hazard realisation to aircraft. Or they go by sea and are stored? Prices are going to rise a lot I'd say.

Report: (slow pdf)

www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublication/admin/iradmin/Lists/Incidents%20Investigation%20Reports/Attachments/40/2010-2010%20-%20Final%20Report%20-%20Boeing%20747-44AF%20-%20N571UP%20-%20Report%2013%202010.pdf

[nanotm]

the simple answer would be for the factories to pack the cells in foam lined plastic hard shell cases and then they could be shipped as pre packed shrink wrapped units (single /double /triple /quad) those plastic boxes would then provide all the protection necessary per cell to eliminate the majority of risk(s), obviously if a sudden impact occurred of sufficient G's then a pallet full of them could still end up as a giant hole in the tarmac but it would be less likely to do so with proper handling and could itself be mitigated through the use of jiffy bags ..

the problem with shifting factories from where the minerals are extracted to localities where they are used is on that could best be understood through looking at what happened at the former port www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tianjin+Explosion+Before+and+After&FORM=IDMHDL now that was put down to a few hundred pounds of lithium getting wet thanks to a sprinkler triggered by a fire in an adjacent storage area.... you cant ship that stuff by plane in case it sheds the protective layer and spontaneously combusts with the moisture in the air but you also cant ship to much a t a time by boat either ..... and that was barely enough for a production run of 10k x 18650li-ion cells which begs the question how the hell would you get the raw materials in sufficient quantity from extraction point to the factory in order to produce the cells required ?

no production is best done elsewhere and the final product shipped here, the only option then is to insist the factories change methodology, something that would of itself cut down on the clone /re-wrap problems seen in the last few years as well and increase general end user safety as well as transport safety, but that would need the likes of Samsung and LG to implement the changes and they wont do (it reduces their ability to flog on the qa failures to the clone /re-wrap teams bumping production costs)

or move to a newer safer technology that still does the same thing

[car147]

A pallet of them went up without any cause, it was just on one of the Documentary channels within the last few weeks. Fire started in a pallet of Lipoly batteries and with the aircraft being a combined cargo/passenger flight all were lost.

The fire slowly burnt through to the cabin, but this took a good while before the heat and flames had caused shorts in the electrical circuitry which made the plane uncontrollable, something like 120 lives lost.

They just were not close enough to an airport to land.