Land of hope and glory

[yahoo2u2]

This may seem an odd thread, but as someone who works will all nationalities, it has always troubled me about a human link to the place of birth.

For example why is it important to know where someone was born?

Why do we as people have such a strong link to our place of birth that we would die (and have done all over the world for thousands of years) for a piece of land, that we are only borrowing for now.

And its this that causes so much trouble and hate. The last thing I want is this to turn into a race thread, its not about that, its about the bond that people have that is unshakeable for many about nothing more than an accident of birth.

And it is about birth! I have a very old friend who was born on a boat in the Atlantic in no mans land and he says that he does not have a link to anywhere. His mum was British and his dad was American, but he does not feel British or American and if the mood takes him he chooses one or the other and this is fascinating in terms of the human psyche  of needing to belong.

If the ops feel that they dont want this on the forum, please close.  But for me its fascinating

[RangersBillyBoy]

Great thread yahoo2u2.

I feel that it's a sense of belonging and of being. A loyalty to others that are similar to you.
A sense of togetherness, as one.

I cannot understand those who are anti the country of their birth. Those who want to divide.

Together as one. Better together. Stronger together.

[yahoo2u2]

Well lets imagine we were living when the world was one large land base, how different the world would be. We all come from here? But we do anyway?

[Deleted]

Personally i could not give a rats a**e where i was born or where i live be it in the uk or any other place.
As long as the wife n kids are happy thats all that matters to me, in fact the kids don't come into it nowadays as they have all grown up and
got their own life's to lead.

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Mar 9, 2016 19:56:35 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Well lets imagine we were living when the world was one large land base, how different the world would be. We all come from here? But we do anyway?

Don't want to live there it looks flat 

[Deleted]

I am Scottish through and through.
Would i die for my country nope.
I would die for my family.

[yahoo2u2]

Tubthumper, just to play devils advocate here for the sake of a decent debate and hopefully a bit of brain working. What makes you Scottish? Because you were born in Scotland? Its this that is the draw of this thread. Why does where someone is born make them any different?

The link to where you or I was born is so strong that we tend to associate "US" with where we are born. I was born in Salford and on many occasions found myself defending Salford, just because I feel I need to show support.

Now, I maybe a little paranoid here, but I suspect many politicians and those in power know this and play on this so much that we dont actually see the manipulation that is taking place.

[thebishman]

Good thread wayne. I like threads that offer the chance of debates.

Ive grown up in a very patriotic family. Having heard tons of WW2 stories from my grandad (he literally is my hero) i learnt how men (and women) risked their lives for future generations.
He and my amazing nan passed away many many years ago. Fast forward to today...i hate that they went through all that when we see the state of our (once) great country.
I cant help but feel that being patriotic is a waste of time and energy. So now i echo what someone said earlier in this thread...aslong as my family is ok then im happy.

[calnorth]

Try this:

I asked a woman of some 23 yrs of age quite some years ago why she had dumped her boyfriend. That break I could see had upset her. She said that he would not identify himself fully. He was British.

Work that one out...it did surprise me.

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Mar 9, 2016 20:13:41 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

Tubthumper, just to play devils advocate here for the sake of a decent debate and hopefully a bit of brain working. What makes you Scottish? Because you were born in Scotland? Its this that is the draw of this thread. Why does where someone is born make them any different?

The link to where you or I was born is so strong that we tend to associate "US" with where we are born. I was born in Salford and on many occasions found myself defending Salford, just because I feel I need to show support.

Now, I maybe a little paranoid here, but I suspect many politicians and those in power know this and play on this so much that we dont actually see the manipulation that is taking place.

Not sure how to really answer this question as i thought it was because i had a sense of
belonging because all my family history is based in Scotland. After saying that, if i dig a bit
deeper my family history shifts over to Ireland where i dont feel any connection so not 100%
sure.

[jtc]

I see it more of a culture thing
I find in general different cultures have different ways of doing things, and each culture to a point rejects things about others.
English, Scottish, Russian, Polish etc have a certain conditioning to their own culture.
I believe it's that, that makes people proud of their heritage and do not like it challenged

[striker42]

Mar 9, 2016 20:02:58 GMT @tmfkatubthumper said:

I am Scottish through and through.
Would i die for my country nope.
I would die for my family.

But you accept that others would die for your country ?

[Chrissie]

Very interesting thread yahoo2u2

Have to admit that it bugs me being torn about where I feel I belong. I was born & grew up in Yorkshire - Gods own county. Then for most of my adult life lived in Sussex - Often wish I could afford to move back to Lewes. Now living in a village in Cornwall & loving the peace & quite.

[lobeydosser]

I have been trying to trace our Family Tree for well over 20 years now and it would appear that our families originate from the West Coast of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Donegal. Well as far back as the mid 1700's anyways.
However if I am to believe the speculators, we are actually descendants of the Danish Vikings.
Must go out and buy one of these Horned Helmets with the Ginger Haired Fringe.

I suppose if we are going to get folks opinions on the importance of our nationalities, we should also seek some opinions on "owning(???) land".
What right has some "person" who is born into a family who are the hereditary chiefs of some Clan, to claim that they own a certain tract of land and that they have the right to sell that land?
The one that tried to sell the Cuillins on Skye was such a "Clan Chief". By the way, this clown died in 2007 leaving 15 million in his estate.

But there are plenty of others who claim the right to "own land" simply because the family have lived there for a number of years yet if you traced the history of that land back far enough you would find that they have no rights whatever to that land and if they actually paid money for it at some point in the distant past, then whoever "sold" it to them had no right to do so.

We may be the custodians of land for a limited period of time and we have a duty to look after that land to the best of our ability, but we have no right to "own" that land nor do we have the right to sell it for profit.

As to my own nationality. Well I have lived in a few countries and yes, had I been conscripted to fight in any one of these, I would have joined up and done my bit. Indeed in one of these countries the UK did come fairly close to rattling some sabres.
These days I "belong" to wherever I feel most comfortable living in.

[vapedub]

All you folks that are in lala land ....

Oh what a lovely post & now edited, so nice that you felt the need to quote yourself twice too.   It seems there is only one person in lala land & you really should seek help. Goodbye!