Bathroom Fitting - Charge Rates

[mart166]

Mar 29, 2016 8:41:57 GMT calnorth said:

Mar 28, 2016 15:47:09 GMT mart166 said:

If it helps i've just had new bathroom and toilet fitted, east london so not far away and it worked out to about £600 a day, but they did do long days, if you want there details PM me.

MP

Bit spendy mart166. Whats that for ...all bits, labour and VAT? Time on the mobiles?

I had a non Brit sparky(?) try it from N. London. So I asked if something went wrong with his work would he come and fix. Answer was..nothing to go wrong. Yeah right! My concern was the distance and ease of travel etc. Don't answer the question do they?

And everything about the rabid application of VAT angers me...very much!

It was a bit pricey, but it was quite a job, had new bathroom, downstairs toilet, and bedroom replastered, my usual plumber retiered, but I know he would have quoted me a lot more, not worked 12 hours a day 7 days a week and not given me the joy of listening to Polish radio all day !!!

MP

[nanotm]

Mar 29, 2016 8:41:57 GMT calnorth said:

And everything about the rabid application of VAT angers me...very much!

you know what always amuses me about that is they insist on cash for the work because despite overcharging for the labour they wont be declaring more than £200/day in income and that will be vat inclusive.....funny thing about vat charges though, self employed contractors almost always charge it but rarely are any of them vat registered making their charging of it less than kosher

[calnorth]

Mar 30, 2016 6:35:28 GMT nanotm said:

Mar 29, 2016 8:41:57 GMT calnorth said:

And everything about the rabid application of VAT angers me...very much!

you know what always amuses me about that is they insist on cash for the work because despite overcharging for the labour they wont be declaring more than £200/day in income and that will be vat inclusive.....funny thing about vat charges though, self employed contractors almost always charge it but rarely are any of them vat registered making their charging of it less than kosher

Think HMRC call that "the missing contractor" or similar nanotm

[Deleted]

Even though I've had to wait 6 weeks to get this bathroom work done (needed) I am very grateful I'm in social housing

2 days messing around but it's not costing me £600 a day

[tim]

Mar 30, 2016 9:37:03 GMT @johanino said:

Even though I've had to wait 6 weeks to get this bathroom work done (needed) I am very grateful I'm in social housing

2 days messing around but it's not costing me £600 a day

It's costing the tax payer more than that!!! Social housing costs for maintenance/repairs far outweigh what private contractors charge. They are forced to use *approved* contractors, who have offices, directors, accountants, a fleet of cars/vans, cleaners, etc., while also paying the actual operatives (so called *engineers*) a pittance. Where do you think your council tax goes?

[nanotm]

Mar 30, 2016 22:42:35 GMT tim said:

Mar 30, 2016 9:37:03 GMT @johanino said:

Even though I've had to wait 6 weeks to get this bathroom work done (needed) I am very grateful I'm in social housing

2 days messing around but it's not costing me £600 a day

It's costing the tax payer more than that!!! Social housing costs for maintenance/repairs far outweigh what private contractors charge. They are forced to use *approved* contractors, who have offices, directors, accountants, a fleet of cars/vans, cleaners, etc., while also paying the actual operatives (so called *engineers*) a pittance. Where do you think your council tax goes?

only if there a bonk housing association,

the better companies either use in house services or use contracts with groups like Lorne Stuart, mine uses its own the last one I was under used an annual contract rate which worked out at £300/house per year regardless of the number of jobs required, and only major hardware required paying for on demand as the rest (washers /screws /tiles/filler /paint) was all provided under that couple of quid a year.

the smaller the social landlord the higher the costs are as well, and often the lower standard of worker and work provided, as to "approved" that just means holds relevant bit of paper (and the majority of migrants doing the jobs don't have genuine bits of paper) it used to mean passed a CRB but that went out the window in 2003 because the lack of cheap UK workers meant importing foreingers to do the job at less than half  the price without careing about social standards and of course an inability to check up on the records of said workers .......

[calnorth]

Interesting stuff but I actually own my bathroom etc. Attempting to pay a fair wage for a fair days work looks to be very difficult on either aspirations.

I'm beginning to visualise now the boot of my car filling up with tiles, adhesive and bathroom bits...as with other projects. Perhaps I'll get lucky and find some useful/honest soul?

[Deleted]

Mar 31, 2016 7:55:32 GMT nanotm said:

Mar 30, 2016 22:42:35 GMT tim said:

It's costing the tax payer more than that!!! Social housing costs for maintenance/repairs far outweigh what private contractors charge. They are forced to use *approved* contractors, who have offices, directors, accountants, a fleet of cars/vans, cleaners, etc., while also paying the actual operatives (so called *engineers*) a pittance. Where do you think your council tax goes?

only if there a bonk housing association,

the better companies either use in house services or use contracts with groups like Lorne Stuart, mine uses its own the last one I was under used an annual contract rate which worked out at £300/house per year regardless of the number of jobs required, and only major hardware required paying for on demand as the rest (washers /screws /tiles/filler /paint) was all provided under that couple of quid a year.

the smaller the social landlord the higher the costs are as well, and often the lower standard of worker and work provided, as to "approved" that just means holds relevant bit of paper (and the majority of migrants doing the jobs don't have genuine bits of paper) it used to mean passed a CRB but that went out the window in 2003 because the lack of cheap UK workers meant importing foreingers to do the job at less than half  the price without careing about social standards and of course an inability to check up on the records of said workers .......

All my workmen were in house. They all had the regulation jumpers/boiler suits on - hence I knew

[DiscoDes]

FYI I just asked a Plumber mate (time served, Gas Safe etc) what his day rate is for fitting a bathroom and he said £150 and should take 2 - 3 days.

[calnorth]

Apr 1, 2016 23:29:01 GMT DiscoDes said:

FYI I just asked a Plumber mate (time served, Gas Safe etc) what his day rate is for fitting a bathroom and he said £150 and should take 2 - 3 days.

And that DiscoDes is exactly my benchmark. I'd be messing about for 10 days what with all other interferences flung from on high.

Cheers