An excellent piece from Clive Bates

[reefcat]

Wonder about the impact of the 20mg nic limit under the TPD?

Clive provides some answers. www.clivebates.com/?p=4056

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[calnorth]

What always comes to my mind is...Corporate Manslaughter.

A risk reduction system is available that is a viable and successful substitute for smoking. Yet it is heavily hampered.

Smoking effectively is encouraged albeit at a wickedly high price. So its a long term illness and perhaps an early bad death?

[djs]

Something that gets my blood boiling is using statistics to prove 'facts'.

Take this comment (the bit in bold, not Clive's words around it)

I hear there are people in public health claiming that because “only” nine percent of current vapers use liquids over the 20mg/ml nicotine limit set by the EU Tobacco Products Directive, there won’t be much of a problem.

The question I ask is; why this might be true? Is it because all those trash brands on the high street call a 16mg cartomizer 'equal' to 40 cigarettes.
Is it because many people try something they don't understand (new vapers) and just presume... "well, that's how it comes".

Maybe somebody should actually make the effort to find whether this 9% figure is down to user preference or market anomalies.

I bet E-Lites would stand behind their 24mg refills.... as well they should despite my hatred of the brand. 24mg wasn't enough for me and for many. Just because the products have improved and many of us can get by on 3/6/12mg doesn't mean we can wipe out the brands using stronger liquids on inferior products, especially if that's where the majority of people start.

What of 48mg Vype/Vuse?

Anyway... I think paragraph 2 of Clive's blog sums it up. Too many people give up on vaping too early.
Combining rubbish products (supermarket cig-a-likes) with even weaker e-liquid is a total lose for all those smokers out there still contemplating buying something with their weekly shop.

[reefcat]

It took me three years of dual use to find the combination of device & juice that allowed me to give up smoking completely. That's despite being a relatively "sophisticated" vaper at the time, coil making, juice making etc. For me, it was learning how to lung inhale & the introduction of sub ohm tanks. Prior to that I had experiment with 50mg juice, and still felt the need to have a fag straight after, it was very frustrating.

It's a journey for all of us, trying different things, devices, juices, MTL vs Straight to Lung etc. Some people quit smoking very successfully with cigalikes & good luck to them. Others. like me need something a bit more robust. Smokers need the variety & diversity of devices & methods, to find what works for them. Something that the TPD will squash, and as Clive points out, it will cost some lives.

Support the NNA, why wouldn't you?

[car147]

i was lucky, my mate had taken up vaping some months before me and kept saying give it another try (we had tried those damn cigalike things that lasted half a day and then back on the fags) This time he gave us pretty good advice and started off on Spinner v2's and evod tanks and we kicked the weed just with that combination. 37yrs on the fags simply quit by using 18mg at first and dropping every few months to now @1mg

Then i joined this great forum, and shinyitus kicked in