Flavour Concentrates thoughts please.

[lobeydosser]

I understand that Perpetua, but I am coming across some really interesting flavour concentrates at the moment that sound really delicious, but that I don't think will be around for too long after the nic base ban takes effect.

These flavours are not the usual cup cake (taste) type things but are more blended towards what Vapers are wanting to experience from an inhale/exhale point of view.

So here's hoping that those who are separating their vaping businesses to specialize in flavour concentrates, continue to stock a wide range of these concentrates.

[Perpetua]

Jul 24, 2016 19:16:56 GMT lobeydosser said:

I understand that Perpetua , but I am coming across some really interesting flavour concentrates at the moment that sound really delicious, but that I don't think will be around for too long after the nic base ban takes effect.

These flavours are not the usual cup cake (taste) type things but are more blended towards what Vapers are wanting to experience from an inhale/exhale point of view.

I think you're wrong, no company spends time and money on development costs if they don't anticipate being able to make that viable and who is to say that these delicious flavours can't be used in Home Baking . . . . and, Nic Base won't be banned - just not available in the strength or volumes it currently is to the general public.

Doubtless overseas options will appear on that front.

Jul 24, 2016 19:16:56 GMT lobeydosser said:

So here's hoping that those who are separating their vaping businesses to specialize in flavour concentrates, continue to stock a wide range of these concentrates.

I'm positive they will . . . . which has been the rationale behind dividing up the businesses in the first place.

[lobeydosser]

Okay, okay.
But, if nic base is only available in lower strengths, and some are suggesting as low as 20mg, as I do not know of anyone in this area who vapes at anything as low as 20mg, then everyone in this area will no longer be mixing their own. No point.

If the mixes that can be mixed are starting with a base line of 20mg, by the time they add their VG and PG and then the flavouring, they will end up with a mix of about the same strength as dishwater.

My thoughts are that unless we can source nic base at a decent strength from somewhere outside of the TDP area, all the other ingredients will only be required by those whose e-liquids are so low as to be dammed near useless to your average ex=smoker/vaper.

[Perpetua]

Jul 25, 2016 13:08:44 GMT lobeydosser said:

But, if nic base is only available in lower strengths, and some are suggesting as low as 20mg, as I do not know of anyone in this area who vapes at anything as low as 20mg, then everyone in this area will no longer be mixing their own. No point.

If the mixes that can be mixed are starting with a base line of 20mg, by the time they add their VG and PG and then the flavouring, they will end up with a mix of about the same strength as dishwater.

My thoughts are that unless we can source nic base at a decent strength from somewhere outside of the TDP area, all the other ingredients will only be required by those whose e-liquids are so low as to be dammed near useless to your average ex=smoker/vaper.

You overlook how popular subohming is lobeydosser, who is to say what an ' average ' vaper is now with this being a starting point for many new users . . . . and where a 6mg finished strength is considered to be high! So 20mg is more than adequate - it'll be the cost that is more likely prohibitive for those that haven't laid down a back up stash, or are new to vaping and mixing.

Which will of course in turn drive people to look overseas for other less costly options - of which there will be and are some already.

Whatever I say, if you're determined to view the forthcoming situation with doom and gloom then no words of mine are going to change that .

[lobeydosser]

Perpetua, Although I am asking these questions as if they are coming from me, personally I am well set up for MY future vaping needs.
I am merely asking the questions that have been asked to me by local vapers and I do not know the answers.

Whilst one family I know are sub-ohming, all the rest are not and naturally they are worried about their future vaping requirements.

As I know nothing about sub ohming, all I have been able to do is pass on some cards that I have printed out that will point them towards AAE-C and tell them to look up what they want to know here.

Most of the locals are vaping at a minimum of 24mg and one in particular is vaping at 40mg.

Personally I am a good 10 years away from "doom & gloom".
Unfortunately it looks like it is going to come a bit sooner for my friends.

[bioxx]

Maybe I understand the whole TDP thing wrong but couldn't the vendors keep selling 30ml++ bottles of nicotine free juices? We could then re-mix it at home, for those of us that want nicotine.

I've been wondering this for a while now but probably got it completely wrong.

[Perpetua]

Jul 26, 2016 0:26:03 GMT lobeydosser said:

Perpetua , Although I am asking these questions as if they are coming from me, personally I am well set up for MY future vaping needs.
I am merely asking the questions that have been asked to me by local vapers and I do not know the answers.

I realise that lobeydosser and I have done my utmost to address the concerns you've raised . . . . not just for the benefit of your contacts, but for anyone who may be reading this thread.

My hope is that they've been more reassured than you appear to have been.

[cigeliquid]

TPD and flavourings

TPD has no effect on the sale of flavourings (flavourings that use real tobacco might be covered/grey area )

TPD was never interested in safety of flavourings that might be used in e-liquids

TPD is only interested in finish e-liquids that contain nicotine or liquids that contain Nicotine

TPD = Finished e-liquids or liquids that don't contain nicotine get a free pass


At some point in time after the 10ml 20mg restrictions are in place it is very likely that a tax will be put on "nicotine containing liquids" (E-liquids) - but it is unlikely that any attempt will be made
to prevent the open sale of flavourings

Nicotine = prohibition
flavourings = fill your boots