Is it true - no more 72mg nic?

[Chrissie]

Oct 26, 2016 15:35:49 GMT @yinyang said:

Oct 26, 2016 12:42:04 GMT sydsut said:

I find this quite worrying as there are a lot of members who no longer contribute regularly and may not be aware of the developments with the F*****g TPD. Also I looked in to my local B&M on Monday and no posters or signs anywhere though they are aware of the changes. God help us all come 20th Nov and May next year. There's an awful lot of indifference to overcome. DEATH TO THE TPD.

I totally agree sydsut .... I wonder is it possible to send out a mass email to all members to raise awareness Chrissie ?

Sadly, the last couple of times I tried to send out a mass email to all members, no one received it However, I will try again.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Oct 26, 2016 20:16:23 GMT Chrissie said:

Oct 26, 2016 15:35:49 GMT @yinyang said:

I totally agree sydsut .... I wonder is it possible to send out a mass email to all members to raise awareness Chrissie ?

Sadly, the last couple of times I tried to send out a mass email to all members, no one received it However, I will try again.

Can please you wait until I get my own nicbase order in first? .... wouldn't want the supplies to run out before I too grab some

[Chrissie]

Oct 26, 2016 20:20:14 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Oct 26, 2016 20:16:23 GMT Chrissie said:

Sadly, the last couple of times I tried to send out a mass email to all members, no one received it However, I will try again.

Can please you wait until I get my own nicbase order in first? .... wouldn't want the supplies to run out before I too grab some

Lol Dave

[Deleted]

Oct 26, 2016 12:59:33 GMT sydsut said:

Tanks unfortunately will be restricted to 2ml max, though hopefully the manufacturers will find cunning workarounds with spares etc.

I think tank size is the least of our worries regarding tanks. The following is copied from a respected vendor's website:

Ecigarettes must have a leak free filling system.

What is a leak free filling system? Is anything leak free? Is it actually possible? What this means is that the vast majority of the e-cigarettes we use today could well become obsolete because they do not have what is technically a leak free filling system. One e-cigarette that will remain largely unaffected by this (and indeed many of the new regulations under the TPD) is the cig-a-like style of e-cigarette. These are generally of a very poor quality, offer a very poor vaping experience and if these ever were the only type of e-cigarette available then there would surely be a significant amount of vapers moving back to cigarettes

[beedee]

I agree @yinyang

I tried a cigalike about 2 years ago now - I didn't think of it as an alternative to smoking and I just rejected the idea of vaping altogether. It was another year (and 10,560 fags) before I had the good fortune to know someone who let me try their Kanger EMOW, since then, have not looked back.

This legislation is a public health disaster, caused by.... Public Health, of course!          

[Postmodern Smoking]

Oct 26, 2016 20:25:36 GMT @yinyang said:

Oct 26, 2016 12:59:33 GMT sydsut said:

Tanks unfortunately will be restricted to 2ml max, though hopefully the manufacturers will find cunning workarounds with spares etc.

I think tank size is the least of our worries regarding tanks. The following is copied from a respected vendor's website:

Ecigarettes must have a leak free filling system.

What is a leak free filling system? Is anything leak free? Is it actually possible? What this means is that the vast majority of the e-cigarettes we use today could well become obsolete because they do not have what is technically a leak free filling system. One e-cigarette that will remain largely unaffected by this (and indeed many of the new regulations under the TPD) is the cig-a-like style of e-cigarette. These are generally of a very poor quality, offer a very poor vaping experience and if these ever were the only type of e-cigarette available then there would surely be a significant amount of vapers moving back to cigarettes

From the UK legislation:

(8) An electronic cigarette or refill container must have a mechanism for ensuring re-filling without leakage (unless it is a disposable electronic cigarette).

...

(10) For the purposes of paragraph (8), a product has a mechanism for ensuring re-filling without leakage if the mechanism—


(a)entails—

(i)the use of a refill container possessing a securely attached nozzle at least 9 millimetres long which is narrower than, and slots comfortably into, the opening of the tank of the electronic cigarette, and

(ii)in the case of refill containers, a flow control mechanism that emits no more than 20 drops of refill liquid per minute when placed vertically and subjected only to atmospheric pressure at a temperature between 15 and 25 degrees Celsius; or

(b)operates by means of a docking system which only releases refill liquids into the tank of an electronic cigarette when the electronic cigarette and refill container are connected.

So not a big issue here.... just a particular type of bottle & nozzle.

[charliehorse]

Just catching up on this thread and the thing that sticks in my mind was all the hours of online video I watched on the lords debate and the supposed motion against the TPD with regards to ecigs and article 20.
The thing that really stands out from that is the phrases "light touch" and "policed Italian style which was basically meant as, yes, its the law but we wont bother about enforcing it ...... I was sceptical at the time and remain so

[andy01424]

Way it reads it does point to premade liquids,and as for rig moral of what will happen for flavoured juices prob easiest would be sell 10 ml base and what flavour shot would you like sir/madam not premixed allow to steep for x days lol

it is pretty vague wether it inc nic,as you cant ADD it direct to ecig be a muppet if you did and it doesnt specify ,only points to juice,......

But from what i have read there is a way round it!!! if the above is definetly the case ,and will cost you £13!! according to few sites and online nic stores this does not affect them selling it to a trading Company,only over the counter[which nic is sort of sold online],so basic register a Trading Company on Company house dissolve it before a yr and then set another up..you can get as much as you want bypassing the TPD

another thing that gets me is it is legal to sell 72mg by law ,could specify pg only and sold as bug killer for plants,what you do with it is really upto you,as you wont be using massive quantities in a yr and looks like being bought for bug spray!


Someone will find a away round the self mix on law side

[cigeliquid]

Ref : Nicotine bug killer ---Nicotine as a bug killer was permanently band across all EU countries many year ago -- it is even band in india
Ref : it is pretty vague wether it inc nic,as you cant ADD it direct to ecig---- Covers all "Nicotine containing liquids" not just e-liquids

[beedee]

Shame about the bug killer workaround, but I feel a bit more optimistic after andy01424 'a post... 🙂

[charliehorse]

Oct 27, 2016 7:35:48 GMT andy01424 said:

Way it reads it does point to premade liquids,and as for rig moral of what will happen for flavoured juices prob easiest would be sell 10 ml base and what flavour shot would you like sir/madam not premixed allow to steep for x days lol

it is pretty vague wether it inc nic,as you cant ADD it direct to ecig be a muppet if you did and it doesnt specify ,only points to juice,......

But from what i have read there is a way round it!!! if the above is definetly the case ,and will cost you £13!! according to few sites and online nic stores this does not affect them selling it to a trading Company,only over the counter[which nic is sort of sold online],so basic register a Trading Company on Company house dissolve it before a yr and then set another up..you can get as much as you want bypassing the TPD

another thing that gets me is it is legal to sell 72mg by law ,could specify pg only and sold as bug killer for plants,what you do with it is really upto you,as you wont be using massive quantities in a yr and looks like being bought for bug spray!


Someone will find a away round the self mix on law side

Unfortunately the world is full of eejits and while its not probable, it is possible to fill a tank with 72mg nic base and toot on it,  Hence the reason for peanuts carrying the warning may contain nuts, and cups of coffee stating contents may be hot etc.

[djs]

The early cig-a-like brands always said 0.8/1.0ml was the equivalent of 40 cigarettes.

Now, they were fat, greedy, pants-on-fire liars, but of course as the best e-cigs world ever (according to them) one can only presume a tax of about £12.00 per 1ml. (20 cigarettes = £6.00 or more in tax).

That makes e-liquid tax £120 per 10ml and I'm sure the government will be most interested in this.

Heck... why not make the tax £1,500 per 100ml.... as 100ml is clearly enough nicotine for a small independent country to last a decade.

As you can no doubt hear, I'm not bitter and cynical at all.

[GunJack]

A lot of vapers just dont understand the tpd, even after its been explained to them I was talking to a guy last night outside the chinese restaurant when we had both gone out for a vape between courses, turned out he worked in a b&m shop. He tried telling some of his customers there would be no more 24mg juice or bottles over 10ml sometime after November as stocks ran down and they point-blank refused to believe him...what hope is there??

[jtc]

Oct 27, 2016 23:22:15 GMT GunJack said:

A lot of vapers just dont understand the tpd, even after its been explained to them I was talking to a guy last night outside the chinese restaurant when we had both gone out for a vape between courses, turned out he worked in a b&m shop. He tried telling some of his customers there would be no more 24mg juice or bottles over 10ml sometime after November as stocks ran down and they point-blank refused to believe him...what hope is there??

I've had the same with some friends.
They simply refuse to believe anything is going to change

[striker42]

I've actually given up with some of the folks where I work jtc. A few have laid out a bit of cash and got themselves armed to the back with mixing gear but I'm sick of the arsewipes asking "do you think the tpd will happen ?" Well, are they in for a shock in the near future. And if they think I will bail them out when the brown stuff starts flying, they've got a bigger shock coming.