Does your child vape? Looking for UK parents to interview

[lobeydosser]

Thanks sydsut. Job done!!!!

Maybe someone would consider funding a project to teach me how to use Buttons!!!!

[lobeydosser]

Hi Bobsbeer, "To solve a problem you first need to understand the problem."

Not quite. To solve a problem, you must first need a problem and as e-cigs, whether used by children or adults, have never been linked to cancer, there is no problem with them.

[sydsut]

I fail to see what difference such a study as this will do to cure or prevent cancer. It will just quantify what we already know, that the majority of parents think that e-cigs are just as bad if not worse than tobacco cigarettes because they read it in the SUN/STAR/EXPRESS/MAIL etc. Whether it's 55% or 75% of parents won't make any difference. This kind of sociological research should definitely be carried out, but NOT funded by cancer charities rather it should be paid for by Governments or other bodies and the cancer charities should be focusing all their resources on scientific research on discovering why cells become cancerous, how to prevent the mutations happening and destroying the rogue cells without detrimental effect to the patient.

[lobeydosser]

When I started vaping 4 years ago, there were an estimated 10 million smokers in the UK.
Now there is an estimated 7 million smokers with 3 million changed over to vaping.

So anyone looking for a worthwhile research program that is linked to both E-cigs and Cancer causing Smoking should be focusing their attentions on the 7 million smokers who consider Smoking is better than Vaping.

Even the NHS say that Vaping is 95% safer than Smoking. With that in mind, any research into why folks are not switching to a healthier pursuit and possible answers to persuade 7 million people towards a healthier lifestyle would go a long way in the fight against Cancer and other Bronchial Diseases.

[Bobsbeer]

Nov 17, 2016 16:16:21 GMT lobeydosser said:

Hi Bobsbeer , "To solve a problem you first need to understand the problem."

Not quite. To solve a problem, you must first need a problem and as e-cigs, whether used by children or adults, have never been linked to cancer, there is no problem with them.

I think you have gone off in the wrong direction regarding this study, and don't understand the problem being investigated.  I have not read anything that has suggested that this study is looking for cancer regarding e cigs or that e cigs could cause cancer.  The opposite would appear to be the case.  Maybe I'm reading this all wrong, but I see no problem studying issues around e cigs.   There are many legitimate reasons to study e cigs, especially attitude towards, both good or bad.  As we tend to believe, e cigs are part of the answer, especially in reducing smoking related cancers.  So researching e cigs is a valid avenue of research.  Even research looking for cancer is valid, but research looking at barriers is also valid and legitimate.  That is the problem that needs to be understood not if there is a link to cancer.

I haven't taken the survey as my child was way too sensible and has never smoked, and is also an adult now, so was never likely to consider an e cig anyway.  Maybe those who have taken the survey can expand on the type of questions being asked, but I am led to believe from the comments that this study is looking more about attitude rather than if vaping causes cancer. As part of their preventative agenda it is a valid area for UKCR to be involved in and fund research in my view, but we are all entitled to our own opinion.  

[Richard46]

richarduel  It would be interesting to know why Cancer Research UK want to know about these parental attitudes and how such data would influence their corporate strategies and/or be employed in some other way.

[striker42]

My narrow mind has decided to withdraw my support for cancer research and give a bigger donation to Macmillan nurses.

[Bobsbeer]

Nov 17, 2016 17:34:23 GMT Richard46 said:

It would be interesting to know why Cancer Research UK want to know about these parental attitudes and how such data would influence their corporate strategies and/or be employed in some other way.

Wow some attitudes on here really do amaze me. I can think of many reasons why research around vaping attitude is important.  CRUK are not the ones asking the question Richard46 .  They are funding the research, and by doing so hopefully adding to the body of knowledge around e cigs.  Or are we happy in our ignorance and quoting anecdotal evidence?  I personally am glad CRUK are funding such research.  We can all say the Government should do it instead and you are right.  The fact is they are not, so I am more than happy that CRUK have stepped into the breach.  

Whose responsibility is this type of research? It's someone else's responsibility according to some.  I disagree. It is our responsibility.  We give Government our money by way of taxes to spend on our behalf, we also give money by way of donations to CRUK to spend on our behalf.  What is the difference?  The research needs doing, so does it matter who funds it?  All charities are worthy causes.  I'm more than happy for CRUK to research anything surrounding vaping.  I'm also more than happy to give them my money to do it with.

[Bobsbeer]

Nov 17, 2016 16:32:17 GMT sydsut said:

I fail to see what difference such a study as this will do to cure or prevent cancer. It will just quantify what we already know, that the majority of parents think that e-cigs are just as bad if not worse than tobacco cigarettes because they read it in the SUN/STAR/EXPRESS/MAIL etc. Whether it's 55% or 75% of parents won't make any difference. This kind of sociological research should definitely be carried out, but NOT funded by cancer charities rather it should be paid for by Governments or other bodies and the cancer charities should be focusing all their resources on scientific research on discovering why cells become cancerous, how to prevent the mutations happening and destroying the rogue cells without detrimental effect to the patient.

By your comments I am assuming you have done scientific research to back up the statement highlighted?  I'm guessing not, and that is the problem.  We all think we know the answer, but until research is done to answer the questions in a methodical and scientifically robust manner we are guessing.  Until men went to the moon it could have been made of cheese.  Scientific endeavour and research proved that statement to be false once and for all. You suggest that Government should fund such research.  I agree with you.  Where does Government get the money to fund such research?  You and I is the answer.  Where do Charities get their money?  You and I is the answer.  So who is paying for the research if it done via Government funds or Charity funds?  You and I is the answer.  

Research into attitudes to vaping is in a way important to preventing smoking.  Therefore in my view it is a legitimate area for CRUK to fund.  Someone has to do it unless you are happy living your life in ignorance.  So why not CRUK?  The question could be, if not CRUK then who?

[lobeydosser]

Oh well, I am sure that CR UK are over the moon that Bobsbeer will continue to support their research programs even if the rest of us think that our charity donations would be better used elsewhere.

[GunJack]

Jeez, this has touched a nerve.... I am a parent of a kid who I got off smoking by vaping so was quite happy to take part in the study. If this sort of study helps inform more parents of smoking kids and helps them off fags, isnt that a worthwhile outcome? Gotta be, surely??

[Bobsbeer]

There is no need to be facetious lobeydosser, we are all entitled to our opinions. I do have a question though. Are you against all research regarding vaping? Or is it about who is funding that research? If that is the case, who do you feel should fund the research?

[Greg]

Well in an unusual turn of events I'm fully aligned with Bobsbeer view.

I do fear sometimes that some vapers are so biased in their view they just won't entertain a rational alternative argument whether it's logical or not.

Hey ho, everyone is entitled to an opinion and free to spend or donate there spondoolies as they see fit

It would be nice to see the debate continue with a little less venom though, there's really no need for that

[Bobsbeer]

Nov 17, 2016 19:24:50 GMT Greg said:

Well in an unusual turn of events I'm fully aligned with Bobsbeer view.

Makes a welcome change. 

[lobeydosser]

Nov 17, 2016 19:14:40 GMT Bobsbeer said:

There is no need to be facetious lobeydosser , we are all entitled to our opinions. I do have a question though. Are you against all research regarding vaping? Or is it about who is funding that research? If that is the case, who do you feel should fund the research?

I am against who is funding this research.

I also think that this type of research is a complete waste of funding monies.

Just who is it supposed to help?

The parents. I doubt it.

The Children of vaping parents?

I would have thought that these parents have a better idea of what is best for their kids than any university project.

As I have already stated, there is research required on why so few smokers are not changing to vaping despite the already overwhelming research that has been carried out suggesting that Vaping is 95% safer than smoking.

Let's spend our research grants wisely and really make a difference to the future health of our country.