Inconsiderate vaping :-(

[ghostrider1971]

I remember chykensa made a brief mention of "inconsiderate vaping" a week or so back...

I was at Kempton Park races today which was great fun and absolutely packed. A young guy (mid 20's) was constantly vaping whilst standing in a slowly moving tea queue and was absolutely covering the whole queue with vape - I could see people were getting a tad narky but he was totally oblivious or couldn't care less.

Even standing in the stands, some vapers were constantly trying to cover as many people as they could with their "pretty clouds"

I know this is another pointless grumble (and whilst it was great to see more vapers around that some people are just selfish g1ts...), but why can't these inconsiderate a**es think about the effects of their selfishness on the rest of us?

[Perpetua]

That's life isn't it, not just vaping related ghostrider1971 . . . . inconsiderate dog owners who don't ' pick up ' after their pooches - is one of my personal gripes as it reflects badly on us all.

It's not clever behaviour whatever the selfish inconsideration, people like this see no further than what suits them to do.

[jtc]

Yup
Unfortunately there's always a few inconsiderate idiots

[lobeydosser]

Many of the local Bistros and Pubs in this area, who used to allow vaping on their premises, have now banned vaping because of these inconsiderate gits.

Normal vaping did not produce a lot of vapour and therefore it was acceptable, but now with sub-ohming and clouds of the stuff, other customers complained and now we are all suffering because of their behaviour.

If sub-ohmers continue to annoy other people with the way they choose to vape, there may come a time when all vaping at indoor and outdoor venues gets banned.

[jtc]

Sub ohmers can easily be more annoying but whispy vapers can be annoying to none vapers/smokers as well.At first their may have been one or two whispy vapers in a pub(I was one), but seriously does anyone think once it got popular and fifty whispies vaped indoors that it would be tolerated for long. I doubt it, but subs will always have the finger pointed that we ruined the game just because that's the easy thing to do. Whichever way people vape there will always be people moaning about it in the end.Thats just the way people are

[lobeydosser]

Sorry @jtcut I cannot agree with you there. For a start, I have never been in a pub where there were 50 "wispy vapers" even at a Vaping Meet.
However just one sub-ohmer in an enclosed space would almost certainly cause complaints from other customers.
Unfortunately 99% of non vapers don't know the difference between sub-ohmers and ordinary vapers. One look at the clouds of vapour and all vapers get tarred with the same brush and banned.

Personally I would rather enjoy an evening out at my local Bistro and vape.
Now I have to stand outside with the stinkies in gale force winds and driving rain, or just stay at home.

[jtc]

Well unfortunately whispy vaping was never going to satisfy a lot of us and by natural progression a lot of us have moved onto subbing. If we hadn't then we'd probably be back on the stinkies. I understand you would like to be inside your warm bistro, but I'd rather subbing carried on than people back on stinkies. We're all in it together and we have to accept we are all different in our needs.
Consideration of others when vaping in public is down to a person's demina though, just like many other things people do.

[ghostrider1971]

I both sub-ohm and plus (is that right?!) ohm.

I am certainly much more careful where I sub-ohm due to the cloud production.

I've seen some people attempting to vape surreptitiously in my local but all the other pubs and restaurants locally put us out with the tobacco smokers.

One of my local vape shops had to remove itself from the open plan shopping centre and get their own shop as the two extras from a Linkin Park concert ("Yeah, like awesome cowabunga dude....look at my clouds beeyatch....etc) who "ran" the place used to pee off everyone in the shopping centre blowing huge clouds all day.

I just think as vapers we are always under the microscope and not usually for positive reasons - doing "silly" things always seem to make the news whereas the positives don't always get the same publicity.....

[VapingBad]

Dec 27, 2016 22:30:59 GMT lobeydosser said:

Sorry @jtcut I cannot agree with you there. For a start, I have never been in a pub where there were 50 "wispy vapers" even at a Vaping Meet.
However just one sub-ohmer in an enclosed space would almost certainly cause complaints from other customers.
Unfortunately 99% of non vapers don't know the difference between sub-ohmers and ordinary vapers. One look at the clouds of vapour and all vapers get tarred with the same brush and banned.

Personally I would rather enjoy an evening out at my local Bistro and vape.
Now I have to stand outside with the stinkies in gale force winds and driving rain, or just stay at home.

IMO the rise in VG ratio over the last few years has just as much to do with it as so called sub-ohming (I think cloud chasers is a more useful term here) VG vapour hangs in the air for far longer than PG, I can stealth at 50 W plus with 100% PG.  Also strong and unusual flavours, yeah it smells far better than smoke, but stealthing can't hide the smell and it can be intrusive for other people in the room when it is hard to ignore, in this PG/VG make no difference.   We may have been forced outside as smokers for health reasons, but time has moved on and we can not expect to be able to do whatever we like even if it is harmless now.

[buggritt]

I don't understand the term "natural progression". It's neither. Just different.

[DaveJ]

Dec 27, 2016 22:55:56 GMT jtc said:

Well unfortunately whispy vaping was never going to satisfy a lot of us and by natural progression a lot of us have moved onto subbing.

Some, yes.

Others, like myself - no. Although I'll certainly concede I have moved on considerably from the initial power/watt/cloud output I obtained from my initial Evod/cartotank level gear to the RTA gear I now find satisfactory. I'm happy with 16-18 watts on 1.1 ohm coils, but I can recognise that output may well not be enough to "do it" for some.

Dec 28, 2016 6:41:41 GMT buggritt said:

I don't understand the term "natural progression". It's neither. Just different.

I think most vapers of the sort who'd frequent forums like this are the sort to have "progressed on from" their initial "starter" gear onto equipment that delivers "more". I think it's a case of just how far on from that starter gear they choose to go and if that progression goes into the "sub-ohm" and "high watts" areas that can generate the "big clouds". 

That said - I also think many "general vapers" of the sort who do not face book or forum about vaping, those to whom vaping is simply a means to an end of smoking, may well often stay with the gear that got them off the smokes.

Dec 27, 2016 22:55:56 GMT jtc said:

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Consideration of others when vaping in public is down to a person's demina though, just like many other things people do.

And that, I think, is the core of the issue.

[chykensa]

My kayaking mate and I, both of us vapers, wander down to our local once a month for an evening to catch up and enjoy the chance to have a few pints and a vape. Provided that we don't cloud the place up, we are allowed to vape inside, and the simple expedient of holding in the vapour for a couple of seconds and then gently exhaling downwards under the table is sufficient for us to vape away all evening with almost no glance in our direction.
Once we have the place to ourselves, about 10pm, then we can open up and produce a few clouds. The landlady is more than happy for us to do this, and last week thanked us for our consideration as we left - job done.
It's not just a question of tolerance, but as jtc said above, consideration for other people, regardless of the public space occupied at the time. There is no big deal here; being aware of wind direction and blowing your vapour away from other people is not difficult to master and will save embarrassment and discomfort to other members of the public.

[cigeliquid]

A few years back i would ask if it is OK to vape - Now i just go outside as "sorry don't allow as someone stank the place out blowing clouds " makes it pointless asking.

Vapers are now seen as the new cigar smokers.

[jevans]

I'm very fortunate in the fact that my local landlord can tell the difference between "cloud blowers" and non "cloud blowers"...he asks/tells the former to either stop or go outside.
The normal selfish response is "it's legal to vape inside!"

Jim

[manonabus]

I stopped going to pubs when they introduced a no smoking policy.

Now I've got so accustomed to doing and living without them I wouldn't use them even if I could. A 20p can of FinkBrau, some slices of chorizo and a vape is all I need.

Not into cloud chasing, but I have noticed it appears to be the 'B' all scale most Youtube reviewers use, followed by the obligatory wave of the hand to clear the air.