Price comparisons.

[lobeydosser]

My normal everyday vape is a 70/30 mix that has a 10% flavouring and a nic strength of 24mg.

I make it up in 100ml bottles and I have just priced it out at today's prices.

Nic Base = 90p

PG = 8p

VG = 11p

Flav Conc = £3.30p

Total per 100ml = £4.39p

As I vape a max of 3.5ml per day, that works out at a daily rate of 15.37p

I know nothing about sub-ohming, but I have read various topics where folks are getting through anything between 15 and 35 mls per day and although they are using very low mg levels, as the flavouring is anything up to 5 times the price of nic base, I was wondering just what their daily costs were for sub ohm vaping?

[Bobsbeer]

I haven't worked out the cost exactly, but probably similar to you. I vape at 1mg but go through about 5ml per day, (I don't regularly sub ohm), so nic cost will be down slightly but other costs are similar, although I use slightly cheaper flavouring at £2 per 100 ml, (EL Lime). 15p per day vaping is way better than £7+ smoking. Of course you need to add other consumables such as coils, electricity, mod, tank etc, but even if it worked out at £1 per day there is still a considerable cost saving over smoking.

[Perpetua]

No idea Lobey . . . . it's not something I've ever bothered about costing out, whatever ratio of flavour I use - then as long as I enjoy my vapes that's really all that matters to me.

Whatever it does cost, it's going to be considerably cheaper than my £70-£80 weekly habit of 7 years ago!

[blakey]

£205 will produce 10 litres of my juice which will provide 333 days or 47weeks worth of vaping at 30mls per day
So £205 divided by 333 = 0.6156p per day
Buying in bulk saves big in the long run especially in flavours and my mix is 19% flavouring in VG base, 3mg nic and 15% pg, 66% VG giving me a 15-85 pg-vg mix


My bought in juice for MTL is bought at 120ml for £60 and that will last me 10 weeks or 70days which works out around 0.8751p per day or £6 per week.

All in all that's just under £1.50 per day in juice

I build my own coils and I have reels of wire stocked and bulk packs of Muji cotton, I certainly won't need to buy any more for a good 10 years.

[jtc]

Feb 16, 2017 18:05:27 GMT blakey said:

£205 will produce 10 litres of my juice which will provide 333 days or 47weeks worth of vaping at 30mls per day
So £205 divided by 333 = 0.6156p per day
Buying in bulk saves big in the long run especially in flavours and my mix is 19% flavouring in VG base, 3mg nic and 15% pg, 66% VG giving me a 15-85 pg-vg mix


My bought in juice for MTL is bought at 120ml for £60 and that will last me 10 weeks or 70days which works out around 0.8751p per day or £6 per week.

All in all that's just under £1.50 per day in juice

I build my own coils and I have reels of wire stocked and bulk packs of Muji cotton, I certainly won't need to buy any more for a good 10 years.

Awesome
I'm about the same at 30mls a day so them prices look good to me. Also as I'm nicely stocked up it won't be costing anything really except for my concentrates

[blakey]

Feb 16, 2017 18:21:30 GMT jtc said:

Feb 16, 2017 18:05:27 GMT blakey said:

£205 will produce 10 litres of my juice which will provide 333 days or 47weeks worth of vaping at 30mls per day
So £205 divided by 333 = 0.6156p per day
Buying in bulk saves big in the long run especially in flavours and my mix is 19% flavouring in VG base, 3mg nic and 15% pg, 66% VG giving me a 15-85 pg-vg mix


My bought in juice for MTL is bought at 120ml for £60 and that will last me 10 weeks or 70days which works out around 0.8751p per day or £6 per week.

All in all that's just under £1.50 per day in juice

I build my own coils and I have reels of wire stocked and bulk packs of Muji cotton, I certainly won't need to buy any more for a good 10 years.

Awesome
I'm about the same at 30mls a day so them prices look good to me. Also as I'm nicely stocked up it won't be costing anything really except for my concentrates

My last concentrate order was for 2 litres (1 litre of each main flavour) which came to £110 with discounts- that's 47weeks worth which isn't too shabby at all.

[jtc]

Feb 16, 2017 18:28:19 GMT blakey said:

Feb 16, 2017 18:21:30 GMT jtc said:

Awesome
I'm about the same at 30mls a day so them prices look good to me. Also as I'm nicely stocked up it won't be costing anything really except for my concentrates

My last concentrate order was for 2 litres (1 litre of each main flavour) which came to £110 with discounts- that's 47weeks worth which isn't too shabby at all.

That's Niiiice
Yes now I have a decent menu of around a dozen I'm happy to vape, I can do it more like that. I'll still buy little ones looking for other recipes I can add to the menu though. TBH their ain't many recipes that hit the mark for me

[lobeydosser]

Comparing my Smoking prices to my E-Juice prices, IE £18 a day to 15p a day, well that doesn't really come into this question.

Like wise the cost of the equipment, coils etc as these are a different subject.

What I am trying to figure out is the daily difference in price between Ohming and Sub Ohming in that we are both using the same chemicals to make up our e-juices, so we are paying the same prices, but we are using different volumes of individual chemicals and we are using different volumes of the final mix on a daily basis.

I bought most of my chemicals some time ago and I bought most of them in bulk, but I worked out my figures on what I would have to pay for them today, as if I was a newbie just starting out.
I think that cost, for the newbie will be an important factor in deciding which path he or she wants to take down the Vaping Route.

IE;- Is it cheaper to Ohm than Sub-Ohm.

[joeten]

I think that might be a over simplification as it boils down to personal preference, and if your happy with what you do then you do that, the price difference is not huge particularly against a pack of cigs. just my two penneth worth.

[Perpetua]

Feb 16, 2017 21:17:52 GMT lobeydosser said:

I think that cost, for the newbie will be an important factor in deciding which path he or she wants to take down the Vaping Route.

IE;- Is it cheaper to Ohm than Sub-Ohm.

I do also agree with joeten . . . . . cost isn't necessarily the deciding factor for someone contemplating switching to vaping from tobacco. Initially most people probably look for a set up that they believe will work for them and replicate the smoking experience as closely as possible.

The price of this I'd suggest doesn't feature at the top of the list. 

[DaveJ]

Interesting you say that, Perpetua .

Whilst I was well aware of the health hazards of smoking, I wasn't sufficiently disturbed by that knowledge to actually stop. Of course, that is easy to say and didn't allow for the fact that past attempts to quit using officially recommended methods had repeatedly failed.

As a result of a number of very significant tax/price increases imposed by our Government on tobacco, with further promised ("sin taxes") to come, my changing employment status and, perhaps, no small amount of embarrassment at just how heavily my habit was leaning into our joint funds, I was prompted to try that first (useless nic-free) cigalike and, from there, actually find out about real e-cigs.

I'm certainly not speaking for everybody but, for me, the initial primary motivation was money. Of course, health followed as a bonus secondary benefit. But for me, initially, it was the money. Over the three years since I made the switch, I certainly have realised considerable savings on what I would have otherwise spent on smokes.

Speak to SWMBO though and she'll quickly tell you the money meant nothing. It was health that was her only consideration in giving her unqualified support to my switching.

As far as cost deciding what style of vaping I might decide to go with? It simply was not a factor to me. First and formost, it needs to "work" - it has to provide that "something" that smoking did. Second, it has to feel like smoking. That, for me, is tightish draw MTL.

I'm still very well in front money wise (over what I would have spent on smokes), even iffn I suddenly decided I wanted all new lung huffer atties and hence needed lots more premade juice to fuel those atties. 

[DaveJ]

Ummm additional comment:

The Original Post sorta talked about daily costs. I did not quite speak to that in my earlier post.

I've just done a quick extraction from my Vaping Spend spreadsheet.

Over 1270 days I've spent $9330 (Oz), so with a few sums and quick google currency conversion, that comes to round about 4.5 UK pounds per day.

If still smoking it would be three times that. Easily. That amount covers absolutely everything I've spent on, with, for or about vaping - all hardware, fluids, stuff I've tried and failed, gifts, fundraising, all that stuff in the vaping junk draw, everything. And I've sufficient stashed to go for a very long while before I need to spend again.

[Perpetua]

Feb 17, 2017 6:51:11 GMT DaveJ said:

I'm certainly not speaking for everybody but, for me, the initial primary motivation was money. Of course, health followed as a bonus secondary benefit. But for me, initially, it was the money. Over the three years since I made the switch, I certainly have realised considerable savings on what I would have otherwise spent on smokes.

Speak to SWMBO though and she'll quickly tell you the money meant nothing. It was health that was her only consideration in giving her unqualified support to my switching.

As far as cost deciding what style of vaping I might decide to go with? It simply was not a factor to me. First and formost, it needs to "work" - it has to provide that "something" that smoking did. Second, it has to feel like smoking. That, for me, is tightish draw MTL.

Ditto to you Dave . . . . I spent and would have continued to spend more weekly on ciggies than I did on food, had it not been for discovering ecigs.

Once I found they did work for me, the cost wasn't a consideration.

[lobeydosser]

4 years on I sometimes forget just how long it took me to make up my mind to give vaping a try.
Spending as much as I was on cigarettes, to spend more than £10 on a bit of kit that I may not like, was not something to be taken lightly.

I was very lucky at the beginning because a number of good things all happened in quick succession.
Firstly someone pointed me in the direction of a special offer on a cig-a-like kit, namely the Skycig at £12.
Although I disliked the taste of 2 of the cartridges, the Cherry and the Menthol were very nice and I immediately took to vaping. However the MG level was only about 12mg and so, secondly I found out that I could refill these with a higher strength. Once I had that figured out I took to vaping full time.
By the time 6 weeks had gone by (two weeks without buying any cigarettes) I had enough money saved to invest in better equipment.
The rest, as they say, is history, but that initial cost was a huge factor.
Being short on cash and not knowing if I would like vaping, cig-a-likes in either singles or in kit form is all that many people can afford in the beginning.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and "if only I had known then what I know now" I would have borrowed the money to buy some decent equipment and chemicals.
These days costs are not an issue for me. But they will be an issue for others now and in the future as they try to find vaping systems, mg levels and flavours that suit their needs.

blakey, Thanks for your answer on your daily costs for chemicals. That is what I was looking for.
It works out about 10 times my costs and your daily consumption is roughly 10 times my consumption.
I know that there are other differences and it is a case of each to his/her own, but these are the answers I was looking for.
Thanks again.

[beedee]

My juice calculator tells me the cost of each bottle - it varies on how much the flavouring costs - so at the lower end, a 10ml bottle of a Flavour Arts mix (@4%) costs 25p, at the top end a 10ml bottle of Cubana (a T-Juice flavour @ 15%) costs 70p - I vape around 12-15ml a day so I'm probably spending around 40p a day on average, of course, its got less as I've lowered ny Nic from 18 to 6.

I was spending £20 odd a day on ciggies...