A (probably very silly) post-TPD question

[djs]

Apr 21, 2017 9:37:53 GMT gill2009 said:

  I'd be selling or buying from a friend...like I would anything...just my opinion.

Yes, and should you be short of some liquid for mixing, I could send you 72ml of PG/VG mix.

Not that we are worrying until at least 2019 or so... (or are we?)...

[Bobsbeer]

Not sure it would make any difference gill2009. It would still be selling whether the buyer and seller were friends or mortal enemies. No person, and I will assume your friends are persons, may produce or supply. However what goes on behind closed doors between friends is going to be difficult to police and gather evidence, but it would be in black and white if the product were offered for sale on the forum. The evidence for the prosecution would be right there on the screen in writing, so difficult to argue that it was not an offer to supply.

[gill2009]

  Put a picture up of item...no text...& do it through pm's maybe?

  Admin will come up with something, I am sure.


  If it's in members only...who's gonna know, or tell?

[joeten]

gill2009 PM's also leave a digital footprint, and could be accessed so that might be a problem.

[jtc]

Well ok then I am only selling Milkshake.
Now would anyone like to buy some premium nana pudding Milkshake?
100ml
3 star rating
50/50 water/milk
(wink wink)

Seriously though a fone call between friends would probably be best

[bioxx]

Apr 21, 2017 11:06:31 GMT joeten said:

gill2009 PM's also leave a digital footprint, and could be accessed so that might be a problem.

Apr 21, 2017 10:29:32 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Not sure it would make any difference gill2009. It would still be selling whether the buyer and seller were friends or mortal enemies. No person, and I will assume your friends are persons, may produce or supply. However what goes on behind closed doors between friends is going to be difficult to police and gather evidence, but it would be in black and white if the product were offered for sale on the forum. The evidence for the prosecution would be right there on the screen in writing, so difficult to argue that it was not an offer to supply.

That's all a bit OTT, don't you think

We also would need a serious re-think about the state our country is in. I mean if I have to buy a burner phone in Switzerland only buy a 4ml tank from a friend here then things have got out of hand when we weren't looking.

[charliehorse]

Meaning of producer and supplier etc.

3.—(1) For the purposes of these Regulations a person produces a tobacco product or related product if in the course of a business and with a view to the product being supplied for consumption in the United Kingdom or through the travel retail sector, the person—

(a) manufactures the product;

(b) puts a name, trade mark or other distinguishing mark on it by which the person is held out to be its manufacturer or originator; or

(c) imports it into the United Kingdom,

and the terms “producer” and “importer” are to be construed accordingly.

(2) For the purposes of these Regulations a person supplies a tobacco product or related product if, in the course of a business, the person—

(a) supplies the product—

(i) for consumption in the United Kingdom or through the travel retail sector, or
(ii) with a view to the product being supplied for consumption in the United Kingdom or through the travel retail sector;

(b) offers or agrees to supply it in those circumstances; or

(c) exposes or possesses it for supply in those circumstances,

and “supplier” is to be construed accordingly.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/507/regulation/3/made

The way I read that, you are only deemed to supply the theoretical tank above 2ml in the classifieds if it is in the course of a business, which it would not be, so I reckon we are safe enough

[Bobsbeer]

I think you are probably right with that one, or at least I hope so.

[striker42]

With a little preparation, 99% of the TPD will be irrelevant to most of us. With a little preparation, you can sit back in the early days post 20/5/2017 and see how things pan out. Having planned ahead and helped others plan ahead, I can safely say, the TPD can kiss my arse. The biggest problem will be for the people who STILL think the TPD isn't going to happen.

[Bobsbeer]

Totally agree with you there striker42. I have more nic and stuff than I will probably ever use, so 20/5 will be just another day. The new vapers are the ones who will suffer sadly.

[VE Jason]

Apr 21, 2017 19:21:33 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Totally agree with you there striker42. I have more nic and stuff than I will probably ever use, so 20/5 will be just another day. The new vapers are the ones who will suffer sadly.

I really don't see any reason why new vapers will suffer, to be honest.

2ml tanks and 20mg max are more than enough for the vast majority of new vapers.

A lot of us managed with atty's, carto's, then CE4's etc. That makes the new vapers of today spoilt for choice

[jtc]

Shame they will be restricted I think

[striker42]

Apr 21, 2017 20:59:25 GMT jtc said:

Shame they will be restricted I think

Spot on. The freedom of choice will be removed and dictatorship will be the order of the day.

[Bobsbeer]

I started out at 30mg and that worked for me. It was 6 months before I was down to 18mg, so if the upcoming restrictions had been in place then, I may well still be smoking.  The tank size is not that important, more an inconvenience of having to refill more often, but the juice strength is the real issue for quite a few I think when they start.

[beeper]

Apr 21, 2017 22:50:49 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I started out at 30mg and that worked for me. It was 6 months before I was down to 18mg, so if the upcoming restrictions had been in place then, I may well still be smoking.  The tank size is not that important, more an inconvenience of having to refill more often, but the juice strength is the real issue for quite a few I think when they start.

I agree that the 20mg restriction really WILL be an issue for many new vapers. Not everyone will start out lunging it using subohm tanks will they? Lots of folk will be trying the little refillable clearotypes bought cheaply just to see what all this vaping malarkey is all about.

My personal experience is starting at about 36mg strength (on various mtl tanks/clearos). I was lucky to have this choice- any lower than 36mg I would still be smoking now.

It's still good sound advice in my opinion to start on a higher nic strength in any mtl tank. I worry about all the potential ecig users where 20mg just won't cut the mustard..