Looky likey rip off

[Queenie Bee]

I think this is a great idea hifi it's a shame that it couldn't be done on a nation wide scale really it could even get some tv coverage ?

[hifistud]

May 12, 2012 21:06:04 GMT esmecullen said:

I've just watched this............. very enlightening, a friend of mine bought an E-Lite kit, she's not getting on very well with it. I didnt really want to say to her that she'd wasted her cash as she was so happy at getting something she thought she would get on with. She is in another part of the country to me so its not like I can pop over and give her a go on my Riva, but I have given her the links to Kev, Jason's and a few other sites for her to have a look and see what she could get for the money she's paid for something thats not that good when she could have got something with more quality and longer lasting.

I wonder if there has been any complaints to the various mags and newspapers that E-Lites have advertised in?

Well, there's always trading standards. I'm just annoyed I buggered the video up, else it would have been cracking evidence...

[maccafan]

I am pretty sure the spiel would have been formulated by e-lites the franchisor as part of a training pack to franchise owners.

ASA is the agency that regulates and deals with complaints of false advertising..That would be the channel I would pursue if something bothered me enough with false claims, instead of haranguing a single franchisee..

[womble]

May 12, 2012 21:01:16 GMT hifistud said:

Right - on the flash mob thing - the idea is to get a fair few video cameras there, basically, not to intimidate the stallholder, but to get as many camera angles as possible, and then, at the appointed moment, get out a whole bunch of "proper" e-cigs.

I have to admit that the whole experience made my blood boil, and I may well have let that show on Thursday (it's not like me - at least, I hope not) - it's not my aim to cause bother, but to challenge the untruths the franchisee told me, and, should he need further confirmation, have folks there that can back me up from experience.

I'm not being obstinate just for the sake of it, but just adding my thoughts to the process.

I can see that a couple of cameras there would help with angles, but any more than that will intimidate the people you are trying to talk to.
And I honestly don't see the point of pulling out "proper" e-cigs, so what if they don't know what they are? What are you trying to prove?
You don't need any other folks there Hifi, you have all the experience you need, you have far more chance of getting someone to speak to you if you go by yourself.
That is the whole objective isn't it? To get someone to explain why they say these things..... or to get them on camera continuing to tell untruths?
If you have lots of people there, the only thing that will happen, is they will clam up, I would...... and then what will you have got? Nothing.

The reason Matt Allwright on Watchdog does it so well, is because he is not threatening at all, yes he has bodyguards and lots of people around him, but they all say nothing and keep to the background, if you can guarantee that everyone you take with you will act like that, then it could work.

I hope that you take this in the way meant, as constructive criticism.

[dognero]

Could always give it a try
www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/gotastory/

[Chrissie]

Nothing to be annoyed about Dave, the sound was more than good enough.

*says Chrissie, using a cartomiser, waiting for the PG that's just water to turn blue & still not finding after nearly 4 years that neither a cartridge or cartomiser will last the equivalent of 30 or 40 cigs *

[Queenie Bee]

That is a very valid point womble broken down to social psychology when you feel confronted you do clam up maybe just a take a friend approach could work just to get the bloke to repeat the lies again ? IMO I think this needs to have a plan of action figuring in scenarios the plan will certainly affect the outcome so needs to be fitting to what hifi wants to get out of this and how the info will be used just thinking out load.

[womble]

May 12, 2012 21:53:43 GMT dognero said:

Could always give it a try
www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/gotastory/

Seeing how Watchdog do their "scoops", it would mean e-cigs going even further down in the general publics view IMHO, not something we need tbh.

E-cigs are getting more and more into the public domain and we all would like the vendors to tell the truth, but a Watchdog item I think we could do without that. All e-cigs would be plastered with the same goo, then you have the matter of them bringing up the FDA reports as a matter of course. I couldn't think of anything more damaging.

[womble]

May 12, 2012 21:57:45 GMT Queenie Bee said:

to what hifi wants to get out of this and how the info will be used just thinking out load.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there

Hifi has stumbled upon a brilliant opportunity here, I see no reason why we can't have a whole load of suppliers trembling in their boots with people doing mystery shopping all over the place.

Then they are brought to task on VTTV, or something else. How are you planning to use the info Hifi?

[Chrissie]

I can see both sides to this. But one of my main concerns is that e-lites are a founding member of ECITA - surely they should be stepping in to put an end to these exaggerations/lies?

[Queenie Bee]

May 12, 2012 22:10:59 GMT Chrissie said:

I can see both sides to this. But one of my main concerns is that e-lites are a founding member of ECITA - surely they should be stepping in to put an end to these exaggerations/lies?

do you think that the information should be presented to them Chrissie? Nicolite I think it was could be used a a basis to comparison on draw test they could potentially be shamed into changing their claims !

[maccafan]

Why would they when they claim that each cart is the equivalent of 40 cigs on their own website?

www.e-lites.co.uk/electronic-cigarette-cartridges-2pack.html

[Chrissie]

Queenie, as E-lites are a founding member of ECITA, I'm sure they must know already (& oddly approved?) of the claims made by e-lites & if they are worth their salts, should also have already seen or heard about the VTTV Haze hour episode.

[dognero]

From the ECITA website
"Weights & Measures



There are some very strict requirements in the law to protect consumers from being sold less than they believe they are buying. To test this, ECITA’s regulatory consultancy team developed a specific protocol to calibrate the density of the eliquid, so that significant quantities of bottles in any given batch can be weighed to ensure that they contain the stated quantity of eliquid. "

[Queenie Bee]

Oh that does pose a huge problem I wasn't aware of the connection sorry but still something needs to be done as they are only shooting them selves in the foot when looking at longevity of e cigs this is a very frustrating situation but there is always a way to solve issues even the big ones just need to find out how we as a community can expose them without it being detrimental