Looky likey rip off

[Chrissie]

May 12, 2012 22:22:26 GMT dognero said:

From the ECITA website
"Weights & Measures



There are some very strict requirements in the law to protect consumers from being sold less than they believe they are buying. To test this, ECITA’s regulatory consultancy team developed a specific protocol to calibrate the density of the eliquid, so that significant quantities of bottles in any given batch can be weighed to ensure that they contain the stated quantity of eliquid. "

Dognero, E-lites don't sell bottles of e-liquid, only pre-filled crtos.

[womble]

May 12, 2012 22:18:22 GMT Chrissie said:

Queenie, as E-lites are a founding member of ECITA, I'm sure they must know already (& oddly approved?) of the claims made by e-lites & if they are worth their salts, should also have already seen or heard about the VTTV Haze hour episode.

This is another thing that worries me.

The cat is already out of the bag.

One of the main points of Hifi's unhappiness, is the cig/vape ratio of a filled carto. Yet those firms (as macca points out) advertise this freely on their websites.

What is ECITA doing? Nothing it looks like and why? Well the fact they are funded through the companies that belong to it, should offer an explanation.

ECITA atm, IMO, stinks and are doing the vaping community a disservice.

[Chrissie]

May 12, 2012 22:43:01 GMT womble said:

May 12, 2012 22:18:22 GMT Chrissie said:

Queenie, as E-lites are a founding member of ECITA, I'm sure they must know already (& oddly approved?) of the claims made by e-lites & if they are worth their salts, should also have already seen or heard about the VTTV Haze hour episode.

This is another thing that worries me.

The cat is already out of the bag.

One of the main points of Hifi's unhappiness, is the cig/vape ratio of a filled carto. Yet those firms (as macca points out) advertise this freely on their websites.

What is ECITA doing? Nothing it looks like and why? Well the fact they are funded through the companies that belong to it, should offer an explanation.

ECITA atm, IMO, stinks and are doing the vaping community a disservice.

Maybe, ECITA, will deign to come along & explain their stance on this issue?

[Gordy]

May 12, 2012 19:40:19 GMT vapingdaz said:

May 12, 2012 18:20:52 GMT Gordy said:

i think the flash mob is a little over reacting ...there are a few youtube videos giving out crazy untruths too, like not to carry e-cig batteries in your pocket as your body heat can cause them to get very very very hot but i wouldnt dream of going around with a flash mob to them to point out their errors

Gordy that's not untrue batteries can get hot in pockets next to body heat because it happened to me in my younger days,

in your video VD you gave the impression it was dangerous to carry batteries in your pocket as your body heat would in some way make the batteries over heat... do you carry your phone in your pocket? does the battery on that react the same way? as long as you are not causing the battery to short in some way then there isnt any need to be concerned.

so my point is people may tell untruths this doesnt mean they are trying to deceive any one but rather are simply not informed of the correct information

so i believe it would make more sense to actually ask where he got his information from. if indeed he got the info from e-lites then this should be addressed to e-lites themselves. if he has misunderstood the information then maybe help the guy out and have a chat to inform him of the issues.

its very common in retail that sales people dont often know much about the products they are selling ...pop into PC world or Currys and ask them a few questions and you will see what i mean so why should a guy selling e-cigs be any different?

[Gordy]

i do agree on the perceived miss-information regarding how many regular cigs an e-lite is equivalent to, playing devils advocate here surely its down to how we interpret equivalent... they are two very different products

[fagin]

I think most (all?) people will start off on a look a like. Some, like me, who have boring lives and spend too long on the computer (thank you Google) will find a better way.
Most however just want to walk into the nearest shop and buy something simple that works. Until that happens, vaping will remain a curiosity.

[vapingdaz]

Gordy regarding the batteries in pockets I hear what your saying. Of course I'm not talking about all batteries, ie mobile phone battery is on a mobile phone which is also a protective casing, to prevent this type of thing.
Couple of years back I had a c cell battery on my trouser pocket don't ask me why I don't know myself. After having that battery in my pocket for a few hours, it got hot and burned my leg and hand pulling it out of my pocket.
That's all I'm saying why I don't put my stuff in my pocket unless it has a protectivecasing.

[domesticextremist]

I'm kind of with womble on this one too.

Instead of a flash mob, rerun the experiment of last week, using a fresh punter and
getting video.

When he is done, hifi should step up and chalenge his claims, show his video of
only getting 100 or so drags from an e-lite etc. Get the whole thing on video and
then send it to E-lite, ECITA and possibly trading standards.

Likely to bear more fruit than a flash mob.

[vapingdaz]

Its not a flash mob its just some people getting video at all angles and showing him some proper e cigs.

[hifistud]

May 13, 2012 11:14:43 GMT domesticextremist said:

I'm kind of with womble on this one too.

Instead of a flash mob, rerun the experiment of last week, using a fresh punter and
getting video.

When he is done, hifi should step up and chalenge his claims, show his video of
only getting 100 or so drags from an e-lite etc. Get the whole thing on video and
then send it to E-lite, ECITA and possibly trading standards.

Likely to bear more fruit than a flash mob.

I can't disagree on the "re-take" idea - it would certainly work for me. As I said earlier, I may well have got caught up in the moment on the show - my blood was boiling, has to be said, but I do want to take this further.

[Brian]

Can i suggest this gets moved to the members area.

Dont think we want to show this thread to casual onlookers who can then tip off our quarry?

[vapingdaz]

May 13, 2012 12:36:49 GMT Brian said:

Can i suggest this gets moved to the members area.

Dont think we want to show this thread to casual onlookers who can then tip off our quarry?

Very good point Brian if they haven't seen it already.

[Tetsab]

May 13, 2012 11:14:43 GMT domesticextremist said:

I'm kind of with womble on this one too.

Instead of a flash mob, rerun the experiment of last week, using a fresh punter and
getting video.

When he is done, hifi should step up and chalenge his claims, show his video of
only getting 100 or so drags from an e-lite etc. Get the whole thing on video and
then send it to E-lite, ECITA and possibly trading standards.

Likely to bear more fruit than a flash mob.

I think this, (PARTICULARLY including raising the matter with ECITA) is far and away the best suggestion so far and I'm very happy to see HiFi agreeing with the notion. I've actually been feeling rather sorry for this poor chap - HE is the one who has been 'had over' even more than his unfortunate customers. He's paid out for a franchise and a load of stock and may very likely not understand AT ALL why people don't come back to buy shedloads more. He can't possibly have been an experienced vaper before he got into this or he wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole.

You've got to make a hell of a lot of sales to recover just the rent for his kiosk so it's hardly surprising he would try almost anything (like posting cartos for free) to try and make another sale. The people to blame for this are whoever runs e-Lites and THEY should be the ones held to task.

Does anyone know if there's any quick and easy way to raise this with ECITA? They need to do something about this vendor and FAST or their reputation will be in the bin - and that would be bad for ALL of us. ECITA have been very involved with the legislators who are at the end of the day going to bring in regulations, like it or not. It really is crucial that they maintain their reputation in order to be taken seriously - and THAT is what should be the 'big story' for VTTV.

[OneDay]

I have swung backwards and forwards between the differing views on this subject. I think I have now settled on my position.
1) The vendor is a guy who has got off his arse and looked for a way to make a living. He's bought a franchise, probably having looked at many, that he thinks will give him some profit.
2) The parent company will have given him some training, good bad or indifferent.
3) Whether or not he has understood that training, he is giving incorrect information to potential customers. This may be deliberate, to increase his sales, or it may be ignorance.
4) There are people whose job is to deal with incorrect sales information. They are the Trading Standards Officers.
5) A group of people waving GGs and Provaris at him will have absolutely no effect. He's not there to crusade for vaping or to convert people to 'real' e-cigs. He's there to make a living.
5) The job of people like us should be to put pressure on the parent companies to correct their mis-leading representation of look-alikes, especially in respect of number of draws per carto.

[Gordy]

May 13, 2012 8:06:36 GMT vapingdaz said:

Gordy regarding the batteries in pockets I hear what your saying. Of course I'm not talking about all batteries, ie mobile phone battery is on a mobile phone which is also a protective casing, to prevent this type of thing.
Couple of years back I had a c cell battery on my trouser pocket don't ask me why I don't know myself. After having that battery in my pocket for a few hours, it got hot and burned my leg and hand pulling it out of my pocket.
That's all I'm saying why I don't put my stuff in my pocket unless it has a protectivecasing.

I dont want to get caught up in the actual safety of batteries but body heat alone can not cause a battery to over heat.

the point i want to bring to your attention is that you gave out incorrect information and i would like you to realise how easy it is to do without being aware. this guy may well be a lovely guy and just be miss-informed. so we should give him the benefit of the doubt and ascertain this before half a dozen people surround his stall with cameras.

may i suggest popping your battery in a zip lock baggie if you are concerned with shorting your battery while in your pocket