Looky likey rip off

[Gordy]

May 13, 2012 11:20:55 GMT vapingdaz said:

Its not a flash mob its just some people getting video at all angles and showing him some proper e cigs.

not sure what you mean by "proper e cigs"

[Deleted]

IMO Elites should be approached directly with the evidence , and see what they themselves have to say , prior to the vendor being approached

[Deleted]

May 13, 2012 15:30:23 GMT Gordy said:

May 13, 2012 11:20:55 GMT vapingdaz said:

Its not a flash mob its just some people getting video at all angles and showing him some proper e cigs.

not sure what you mean by "proper e cigs"

tut Gordy ,

pedantic ?

a proper ecig .. something not peddled as 150 cigs in a cpl of carts

[Queenie Bee]

If its going down the road of evidence to confront elites direct , what about seeing how many of our community have tried them and get personal statements of what usage they found with them . I was about a 15 a day smoker and found I was lucky if a elite Cart lasted me a day which from day 1 it didn't I am also concerned about the one battery supplied as well they should clearly know that isn't even gonna last a day even used like a real cig ie between 10 and 15 draws this is also a huge flaw in their appeal .

[Queenie Bee]

Also could the ecca get on board ?

[Deleted]

If elites are a founding member of ECITA ... Maybe ECITA should be looking into their credentials as a valued contributer to the ecig

[Bluefish]

May 13, 2012 18:02:50 GMT Queenie Bee said:

If its going down the road of evidence to confront elites direct , what about seeing how many of our community have tried them and get personal statements of what usage they found with them . I was about a 15 a day smoker and found I was lucky if a elite Cart lasted me a day which from day 1 it didn't I am also concerned about the one battery supplied as well they should clearly know that isn't even gonna last a day even used like a real cig ie between 10 and 15 draws this is also a huge flaw in their appeal .

exactly, on that show if that's what you want to call it, did they even ever test them to see how long they lasted? cos they were slagging them off from the start, and it was quite obviouse they were talking out of their nether regions, Yes I used them and I agree QB 2 batteries would be much better and is common sence, use one charge one, no problems with running out, happy days. As reguards how long the carts last, well i smoked 15-20 rollies a day and one cart was lasting me roughly 2 days, now i never timed it, it wasn't more than two days so could have been 1.5 days, but defo more than 1 day, so i don't see how all these people come on here slagging them off and they have probably never even seen them, never mind used them.

[Karma]

I've not followed this whole thread so forgive me if I pick up the wrong end of the stick

I'm not a fan of look-a-likes and can understand concerns about people being put off e-cigs due to the inflated claims about what these do.

However, they work for some people, my colleugue has been off the nasties and using the Tesco rechargables since last November.

The best man at my daughter's wedding had been vaping as long as I'd been, nearly 4 months, and had not touched a ciggie again using the Tesco rechargeable look-a-likes

someone mentioned 'real e-cigs' - the look-a-likes are real e-cigs, they look like cigs and are electronic.

What we prefer on this forum are personal vaping devices They don't really resemble cigs at all

[Queenie Bee]

Nicely put karma or as my daughter likes to call it my puffer lol

[Gordy]

May 13, 2012 17:56:54 GMT @storm said:

May 13, 2012 15:30:23 GMT Gordy said:

not sure what you mean by "proper e cigs"

tut Gordy ,

pedantic ?

a proper ecig .. something not peddled as 150 cigs in a cpl of carts

not at all pedantic... i was referring to the actual device rather than the claims made... many people are very happy using these type of devices

you wouldnt go up to someone with a ford Ka and say hey look at my proper car, i have a Mondeo would you? horses for courses after all

as for the claims... as i have said i agree that they are misleading/false/exaggerated but it depends on how you decide to compare them. a real cigarette is a completely different product than an e-cig

[hifistud]

May 13, 2012 19:09:52 GMT Bluefish said:

May 13, 2012 18:02:50 GMT Queenie Bee said:

If its going down the road of evidence to confront elites direct , what about seeing how many of our community have tried them and get personal statements of what usage they found with them . I was about a 15 a day smoker and found I was lucky if a elite Cart lasted me a day which from day 1 it didn't I am also concerned about the one battery supplied as well they should clearly know that isn't even gonna last a day even used like a real cig ie between 10 and 15 draws this is also a huge flaw in their appeal .

exactly, on that show if that's what you want to call it, did they even ever test them to see how long they lasted? cos they were slagging them off from the start, and it was quite obviouse they were talking out of their nether regions, Yes I used them and I agree QB 2 batteries would be much better and is common sence, use one charge one, no problems with running out, happy days. As reguards how long the carts last, well i smoked 15-20 rollies a day and one cart was lasting me roughly 2 days, now i never timed it, it wasn't more than two days so could have been 1.5 days, but defo more than 1 day, so i don't see how all these people come on here slagging them off and they have probably never even seen them, never mind used them.

Er, yes, as a matter of fact, we have tested the extract same things- frequently. Let me give you some facts, shall I? In survey after survey, a 20 a day smoker uses between 2.5 and 3mls of juice a day - the lower the nic concentration, the higher the point on that scale.

In terms of nicotine delivery, again, there's less than 1ml of e-liquid presented to the coil in that carto, and, even at 24mg concentration (which these are), that's only 24 mg of nic presented to the buccal cavity. Research is showing that, even at 45mg strength, the delivery of nicotine to the bloodstream is between one third and one quarter of the concentration. A normal cigarette presents between 4 and 8mg of nicotine to the buccal cavity, of which around an eighth is presented to the bloodstream - the figure you see on the side of the packet.

Finally, draw count. The claimed 400 draws required to equate to 40 fags is impossible to achieve at anything like a satisfactory delivery of vapour. The actual achievable draw count is closer to 150.

And finally, 15-20 average rollies is roughly equal to seven to ten straights in terms of draws and nicotine presentation. So, yes, you might well have managed greater than a day. but nowhere near to 40 straights out of one carto.

[Gordy]

i guess another point to bare in mind is we dont vape like we smoked
when i fist started vaping i only used 1ml of juice per day... with higher voltage and rebuildable attys this has increase quite a bit

[vapingdaz]

May 13, 2012 15:24:36 GMT Gordy said:

May 13, 2012 8:06:36 GMT vapingdaz said:

Gordy regarding the batteries in pockets I hear what your saying. Of course I'm not talking about all batteries, ie mobile phone battery is on a mobile phone which is also a protective casing, to prevent this type of thing.
Couple of years back I had a c cell battery on my trouser pocket don't ask me why I don't know myself. After having that battery in my pocket for a few hours, it got hot and burned my leg and hand pulling it out of my pocket.
That's all I'm saying why I don't put my stuff in my pocket unless it has a protectivecasing.

I dont want to get caught up in the actual safety of batteries but body heat alone can not cause a battery to over heat.

the point i want to bring to your attention is that you gave out incorrect information and i would like you to realise how easy it is to do without being aware. this guy may well be a lovely guy and just be miss-informed. so we should give him the benefit of the doubt and ascertain this before half a dozen people surround his stall with cameras.

may i suggest popping your battery in a zip lock baggie if you are concerned with shorting your battery while in your pocket

Sorry Gordy I disagree and no it was not incorrect information, it happened to me thats why I dont put batteries in pockets that is all im saying. We are just going to have to disagree on the matter.

[Gordy]

did you have anything else in your pocket like money or keys that could have shorted the battery... as batteries dont just overheat like that for no reason

[Bluefish]

Well my take on it it this, you are out to prove they are wrong, not just wrong but out and out lying, scamming i think is the word you used, my belief is as i said it may not have been equivalent to 40 cigs but pretty close, or close enough as to not tell the difference. when i got my kit i got as they say the equivalent of 400 cigs, that is the one plastic case with the charger including the 5 carts and a pack with another 5 carts in, and after using it for one full week, i was on my 4th cart, so imo it does what it says on the tin, if you haven't done a long term test then you really can't argue about it. And after two days of using it i have not had a cig for over 4 weeks now, the only gripe i would have is that there aren't two batteries, but even that wasn't a major factor, i mean in this day and age how far are we from a power supply. Obviously you are not going to change my opinion on this, oh and by the way i gave the kit with the remaining carts to my daughter in law who smoked more than i did and guess what? she quit as well, that's how bad they are, yes i have since transferred her to a riva kit. I know i hate people who say this as well, but at the end of the day if it e lites stop people from smoking fags, which they do, it's all good, as people have already said, just cos there's something better doesn't mean their wrong. I look forword to your reply, all the best andy. ps, work out how to use your own equipment befor slating other peoples.