More vaping changes/clamp downs?

[ghostrider1971]

Evening all,

Not sure if this is new/old or true or false...both taken from BCL's facebook page today:

1) Going to be a crackdown on squonkers with a bottle over 2ml (guess they will be sold with add on bottles separately?)

2) Holland is banning short fill liquids - BCL reckon they have had orders returned from Dutch customs. Also reported on POTV - says the Dutch are also banning the sale of "add on" glass and the like for tanks.

All about tax revenue and back handers from tobacco giants

[striker42]

I've been following the squonk situation via another Vendor. And yes, it looks very much like buying squonk mods from UK vendors will be a thing of the past as authority is about to put the squeeze on them, if you'll pardon the expression. The legislation has been there since May 2017, but it is now about to be fully enforced. As for selling the bottles as a stand alone object, that unfortunately will not work either as that is also covered under the law. There could be some heavily discounted squonkers for sale soon from UK vendors, thereafter, looks like the China route only. The screw is being firmly turned now on the UK market, the end possibly of shortfills, nic shots and squonkers. Anyone else asking themselves what next ?

[ghostrider1971]

I just find the hypocrisy of the situation absolutely mind blowing - all Governments around the world saying what evil ******** smokers are and what a burden on society they are and how they could be refused medical treatment

.....but don't stop giving us your tax revenue.......

Tobacco barons.......please don't stop making your enormous "donations" to party coffers......

Incredible

[BrenD]

A couple of vendors on one of the FB groups reckoned it could be the end of squonk kits over here, but not mods. No RDA, no problem.

As for shortfills, if a liquid doesn't contain nic, I'd like to see how they could argue the rules apply to it. Worst case scenario there would be banning vendors from giving away nic shots with juice purchases and many don't.

[striker42]

Jul 7, 2018 4:59:07 GMT BrenD said:

A couple of vendors on one of the FB groups reckoned it could be the end of squonk kits over here, but not mods. No RDA, no problem.

As for shortfills, if a liquid doesn't contain nic, I'd like to see how they could argue the rules apply to it. Worst case scenario there would be banning vendors from giving away nic shots with juice purchases and many don't.

BrenD, I hear what you are saying and understand your point of view, in fact I would have agreed with you on it. But, if you dig a bit deeper it becomes clearer how this is going to work. Here is a quote from a vendor from his facebook page :

"As for them getting round it, they absolutely won’t. The TRPR is very clear and the wording is all encompassing.

Now it is a postcode lottery and I am in a losing postcode. But it is well documented and publicised how hard the trade associations are pushing for this to be policed nationally."

The words underlined are of major importance. It gives trading standards room to move the goalposts on virtually anything they are not happy with.

The other misconception of the whole thing is, the drive for this enforcement is apparently NOT from the government, but from trade associations and trading standards, who are being put under pressure by.............yup, you've guessed it....................Big Tobacco and Big Pharma.

I know full well people may read this and think " ah, faceache scaremongering" but at least it is information from someone at the sharp end of it all. We have many approved vendors on this forum who use this as a platform to sell their wares, unfortunately, from the very start of the TPD, they largely remained tight lipped when information and clarity would have been most welcome.

[Perpetua]

I also heard on the grapevine, that a UK Vendor has been campaigning to have shortfills banned . . . . how true this is I've no proof of and we all know how rumours flourish within the vaping community.

My understanding on the Squonk situation is that the legislation isn't a new thing, it's always been part of the TPD since implementation - only hasn't been enforced, until now.

I've said it before, the world's gone mad applying punitive legislation to all things vaping related, the best thing ever created for smokers. It's beyond my comprehension.

[Richard46]

Jul 7, 2018 8:13:18 GMT Perpetua said:

I also heard on the grapevine, that a UK Vendor has been campaigning to have shortfills banned . . . . how true this is I've no proof of and we all know how rumours flourish within the vaping community.

My understanding on the Squonk situation is that the legislation isn't a new thing, it's always been part of the TPD since implementation - only hasn't been enforced, until now.

I've said it before, the world's gone mad applying punitive legislation to all things vaping related, the best thing ever created for smokers. It's beyond my comprehension.

Difficult to see how such a ban could be defined even if someone could find some justification for it or manage to get support for it without any substantial justification.

[unclegromit]

Jul 7, 2018 8:13:18 GMT Perpetua said:

I also heard on the grapevine, that a UK Vendor has been campaigning to have shortfills banned . . . . how true this is I've no proof of and we all know how rumours flourish within the vaping community.

My understanding on the Squonk situation is that the legislation isn't a new thing, it's always been part of the TPD since implementation - only hasn't been enforced, until now.

I've said it before, the world's gone mad applying punitive legislation to all things vaping related, the best thing ever created for smokers. It's beyond my comprehension.

Would not be surprised at all.
Vendor selling 10ml bottles, circa £4.00 a pop, to an unsuspecting public.
When they wise up they move to the competitors who sell 120ml  shortfills for 15.00 to 20.00.
Getting rid of the opposition who they can’t/won’t compete with while fleecing those who are none the wiser.
Seems perfectly ethical to me. Not. 

[izan]

So who is coming out with the squonker that takes 10ml retail bottles?

The rest (TPD) is a money grab and NOTHING more. Just a way to insulate and protect the interests of BT/BP.

Cheers
I

[HaroldTheBarrel]

Jul 7, 2018 6:20:44 GMT striker42 said:

Jul 7, 2018 4:59:07 GMT BrenD said:

Now it is a postcode lottery and I am in a losing postcode. But it is well documented and publicised how hard the trade associations are pushing for this to be policed nationally."

It does seem that way. I was in a local vape shop where they were selling non TPD compliant tanks. I asked the shop guy how they got away with it. His answer was that they’d tried discussing the regs with the council and Trading Standards, but neither were interested in discussing or enforcing the TPD.

I think it was David Cameron who stated ahead of the introduction of the TPD that we’d enforce it “The Italian way”, meaning treating it as guidelines rather than rules.

Have there been any prosecutions for non compliance? I guess it comes down to the level of jobsworthery in the local council.