e-cigs much better for quitting smoking

[charliehorse]

E-cigarettes are almost twice as effective as nicotine replacements for helping smokers quit, a study suggests. (as if we didn't know  )

Link to BBC news website

[monty]

I'm surprised that it is still only a success rate of 18% (cigarette free one year on). I tried everything and never managed more than 3 months. But with vaping it wasn't even a struggle.

[Perpetua]

Jan 31, 2019 1:24:52 GMT monty said:

I'm surprised that it is still only a success rate of 18% (cigarette free one year on).

I am . . . . and I'm not in some ways.

As although we all know vaping is the best alternative ever, for us truly dedicated (ex) smokers and I was up there with the best of them - it does still take some will power to commit to ecigs and to be in the right place mentally for many people, again myself included. I'd never really tried to give up because of one thing or another going on in my life, it was just easier to smoke. Once some of that baggage was gone, I could move on.

All that at a time when the equipment available was very hit and miss, now by and large it's hugely more reliable. So that leads me to wonder, has the TPD and the limitations on easily obtained higher strength eliquid for some one new to vaping who knows no different, impacted on success rates?

When I started out, it wasn't unheard of for people to be using 36mg+ . . . . . and there were a few I knew of on 54mg and while I'm absolutely not knocking the huge popularity of sub ohming, does that replicate sufficiently for some, the mouth to lung draw and hit similar to a cigarette - which for most smokers I'd imagine is still their first consideration?

[DaveJ]

Jan 31, 2019 1:24:52 GMT monty said:

I'm surprised that it is still only a success rate of 18% (cigarette free one year on).

Me too. I'd guess it's better than that.

But then, I s'pose, it does depend on a number of things - the person doing the quitting, the person doing the numbers and how they get those among other things.

Certainly vaping worked for me where nothing else came close. BUT it certainly wasn't without some struggles in the early days.

Jan 31, 2019 6:46:55 GMT Perpetua said:

As although we all know vaping is the best alternative ever,

Yep!

Jan 31, 2019 6:46:55 GMT Perpetua said:

for us truly dedicated (ex) smokers and I was up there with the best of them

As was I.

Jan 31, 2019 6:46:55 GMT Perpetua said:

- it does still take some will power to commit to ecigs and to be in the right place mentally for many people, again myself included.

Yep, me too. Especially those first few weeks ...

Jan 31, 2019 6:46:55 GMT Perpetua said:

All that at a time when the equipment available was very hit and miss, now by and large it's hugely more reliable.

More so for you than me. Things like EVODs had come along by the time I had started. I really do not think I'd have made it with the sort of gear that went before such as some of the stuff you first started off with. Even my first atties, the CE4 Stardusts, had me close to giving it all away in frustration for the far easier and simpler smokes.

Jan 31, 2019 6:46:55 GMT Perpetua said:

So that leads me to wonder, has the TPD and the limitations on easily obtained higher strength eliquid for some one new to vaping who knows no different, impacted on success rates?

When I started out, it wasn't unheard of for people to be using 36mg+ . . . . . and there were a few I knew of on 54mg and while I'm absolutely not knocking the huge popularity of sub ohming, does that replicate sufficiently for some, the mouth to lung draw and hit similar to a cigarette - which for most smokers I'd imagine is still their first consideration?

Just nodding in agreement with your thinking. For many long term smokers making the switch, I think replicating the whole feel of a smoke is the go: tight draw, small cloud and high nic and ideally all in a small, close to cigarette size package AND, something not often mentioned around these parts, an occasional dose of WTAs for when huge nic ratios still don't do it. Damn I wish I'd known about WTAs when I was starting out.

There is still room in the vape world for those high watts sub-ohm cloud machines, but I kinda think it is up to the person who is leading the potential new vaper to consider all the options available and properly tailor the vape gear (and juice) toward the specific needs of the person making the switch. Which is all fine and dandy with one-on-one coaching, but sorta falls down with, say, a shop front with a sales assistant just handing out packets for dollars ...

There sure is a need for heavy nic ratios for some hardened smokers starting down the vape path. I was one.

[buggritt]

I still am. Started around 24 and stayed there.

[djs]

Wow... I never expected this. Good find.

I was expecting the normal thing, you know... vaping killed my goldfish and now my wife has left me for a pretty lesbian.

I love a good news story.