Nic salts

[B Road Blaster]

So anybody on here use them or even tried them ?? 
From what i can make out they seem to be of most use to MTL vapes with a high mg is this right ? 
Again all the salt juices i have seen seem to be of a high mg.

Whats your thoughts / experience  of them please.

[Perpetua]

I've used them for MTL and DL . . . mixed to the same strength as freebase, can't say I notice any difference B Road Blaster.

[DaveJ]

Jan 29, 2020 20:48:15 GMT B Road Blaster said:

So anybody on here use them or even tried them ?? 
...
Whats your thoughts / experience  of them please.

None. Zilch, nada.

When I started, prolly like you, there wasn't any such thing as Nic "Salts". So straight dilluted nic (some refer to it as freebase) was what I used and continued to use. Sorta a case now of not messing with what works for me.

However, from what little I've heard and read the following points might be of interest. They may or not be actual fact, and I only offer them in case you've not already heard of 'em.

* A "salt" of anything is made when some acid is mixed with the raw material under discussion. (And that's about as far as my memory of High School chem goes *grin*). But what that means for you in this subject is that a "nic salt" might be one of several possible acids mixed with the nic. Different versions can give different "symptoms" to the user. Where I saw this come out was a while ago, when one of the big Chinese suppliers started out with their first release of their version of nic salts. There were, err, "discussions" with their customers - and later they released a DIFFERENT salt. So now they sell "salts a" and "salts b" depending on the acid used in the chemical mixing of the compounds.

Don't ask me what and why, I wasn't interested enough to follow thro. As I said - I'm long settled into a mix/fluids/gear that works for me.

* Salts, apparently, can be taken into our systems quicker than straight nic. So helping reduce the one difference betwix smoking and vaping - where a smoke hits quick whilst a vape is much slower to "get in" causing a sometimes frustrating delay for new users needing a "quick fix" - like the one you need in liue of taking a swing at the boss

* Salts are claimed to be "smoother", less harsh to vape. Meaning you can mix a far stronger juice without making it too harsh to vape. Claiming to solve one of the issues with "less powerful" devices needing strong mixes to offer the newly switched user the nic hit they want/need to break from the smokes without being way too harsh to vape. Ergo - exactly what the Juul has did with their 50 plus nic strength. With associated issues that come from the claims of attracting children yada, yada. 

* For me it seems you are just adding another "thing" into the mix you are inhaling. Now after 37 years sucking in cigarette smoke, I ought not be too fussy with what crap goes into these old lungs, and I certainly have no idea if the extra acid added into the mix may or not be harmful, but since I don't need it I'm of the view why bother?

Sorry iffn you already knew these - just mentioning a few things I've read.

[*-SARIN-*]

Nicotine salt is how nicotine occurs naturally in the tobacco leaf, it's then processed to produce nicotine freebase. In effect it is returning to it's natural state when freebase is changed into nic salt. Contrary to popular belief nic salt does not travel to the nicotinic receptors in your body as easily as freebase and therefore it takes you longer to feel the "hit" but when it hits, it hits hard. Salts also require a higher temperature to vapourise than freebase.

Benzoic acid is added to the nic salt for the following reasons:

1) To lower the pH of the salt to give a smoother hit. Nicotine is alkaline so by adding an acid it helps neutralise the pH.
2) To enable the salt to be vapourised at a lower temperature
3) It brings about a chemical reaction that allow the salt to be more readily absorbed by the nicotinic receptors.

My personal experience though is that with high strength nic salts i can taste the benzoic acid. It's a lot more pronounced in juices i know and have vaped as a "normal" juice.

[bioxx]

Jan 30, 2020 14:54:41 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Nicotine salt is how nicotine occurs naturally in the tobacco leaf, it's then processed to produce nicotine freebase. In effect it is returning to it's natural state when freebase is changed into nic salt. Contrary to popular belief nic salt does not travel to the nicotinic receptors in your body as easily as freebase and therefore it takes you longer to feel the "hit" but when it hits, it hits hard. Salts also require a higher temperature to vapourise than freebase.

Benzoic acid is added to the nic salt for the following reasons:

1) To lower the pH of the salt to give a smoother hit. Nicotine is alkaline so by adding an acid it helps neutralise the pH.
2) To enable the salt to be vapourised at a lower temperature
3) It brings about a chemical reaction that allow the salt to be more readily absorbed by the nicotinic receptors.

My personal experience though is that with high strength nic salts i can taste the benzoic acid. It's a lot more pronounced in juices i know and have vaped as a "normal" juice.

I will save this post(text) in my Steamers folder on the PC. Lots of interesting and important information in there. Thank you.