I just despair.....

[ghostrider1971]

I remember a day when the BBC used to be the best news agency in the world. Now they love sensationalism and vape bashing as much as the rest. Not quite as good as the last article on the BBC website on vaping where the intellectual genius being interviewed 'liked disposable vapes as they could be colour coordinated with her outfit" but.....


"C**** H****** is 23 and has been using disposable vapes for around a year.



"I'm vaping a full bar every day, whereas before I would smoke around five or six cigarettes a day.



"I can get through seven, maybe eight, disposables a week," she told the BBC.



Chloe says she's "never had an addiction so bad" and doesn't go more than an hour without vaping, and often falls asleep at night with a vape in her hand.



"My vape is constantly in my mouth so I'm getting nicotine rushes and if I can't find it I end up having a panic attack."



She says she always keeps several in the house and likes to try out all the different flavours: "The taste is brilliant compared to cigarettes."



Chloe says she worries about the longer-term effects of vaping: "The thing that scares me the most is that there isn't enough research on the long-term effects they are going to have on us - I'm terrified"."


www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63076876

[Perpetua]

After a quick skim through . . . think I'll join you on the Step of Despair Andy ghostrider1971

I know many are anti-disposables, I'm actually not as given the choice of young people smoking cigarettes v vaping then a disposable is infinitely more preferable in my opinion. We've several at work who use them, they have no inclination to try anything more ' advanced ' but, they're not smoking. So who am I to stand in judgement.

What I do object to with these little gizmo's is that the cardboard box they come in plus the devices themselves appear to have joined the general detritus of litter we find on our streets, along with drink cans, takeaway boxes etc etc.

Similarly objectionable is the manner in which the BBC have chosen to portray vaping in general alongside the health aspect, I had thought the media had moved on . . . all in all a totally biased piece of trashy journalism which belongs in the bin itself.

[digicig]

As a former smoker and now 12+ year vaper - I recently, had a surprising revelation - despite having studied Psychology at University - I've been an undiagnosed ADHD 'beneficiary'!

My smoking/vaping behaviour is as much to do with an ADHD displacement activity as it is about the nicotine. Fidgeting is one syptom of ADHD and I don't - but I did smoke and then vape instead. As a smoking alternative, my health prognosis has improved significantly - if you add to that the possible ADHD medication that vaping has meant I haven't needed to ask a doctor for - then that's hugely beneficial too.

I wonder what percentage of smokers and now vapers (especially zero nic) are actually attracted to the calming and Dopamine producing benefits that 'Neurodivergent' (ADHD, Autism etc often are deficient in Dopamine) are being attracted to whereas previously this was typically gotten from Cigarettes, over indulgence in eating or alcohol?

And these aspects are being ignored by researchers not only mainstream media 😳

[MrDJ]

bit more positive reporting www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/29/switch-from-smoking-to-vaping-cuts-health-risks-substantially-report-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[DripDrop Vapour]

If only they knew the truth about disposables 😕

A certain brand reports they are 20mg. But as they are all made in one factory, and only one needs to be tested before being registered under the TPD, most actually test up to 44mg. So no wonder kids are hooked on them!

Oct 1, 2022 19:32:48 GMT Perpetua said:

After a quick skim through . . . think I'll join you on the Step of Despair Andy ghostrider1971

I know many are anti-disposables, I'm actually not as given the choice of young people smoking cigarettes v vaping then a disposable is infinitely more preferable in my opinion. We've several at work who use them, they have no inclination to try anything more ' advanced ' but, they're not smoking. So who am I to stand in judgement.

What I do object to with these little gizmo's is that the cardboard box they come in plus the devices themselves appear to have joined the general detritus of litter we find on our streets, along with drink cans, takeaway boxes etc etc.

Similarly objectionable is the manner in which the BBC have chosen to portray vaping in general alongside the health aspect, I had thought the media had moved on . . . all in all a totally biased piece of trashy journalism which belongs in the bin itself.

[Perpetua]

Oct 6, 2022 7:00:31 GMT DripDrop Vapour said:

If only they knew the truth about disposables 😕

A certain brand reports they are 20mg. But as they are all made in one factory, and only one needs to be tested before being registered under the TPD, most actually test up to 44mg. So no wonder kids are hooked on them!

Oct 1, 2022 19:32:48 GMT Perpetua said:

After a quick skim through . . . think I'll join you on the Step of Despair Andy ghostrider1971

I know many are anti-disposables, I'm actually not as given the choice of young people smoking cigarettes v vaping then a disposable is infinitely more preferable in my opinion. We've several at work who use them, they have no inclination to try anything more ' advanced ' but, they're not smoking. So who am I to stand in judgement.

What I do object to with these little gizmo's is that the cardboard box they come in plus the devices themselves appear to have joined the general detritus of litter we find on our streets, along with drink cans, takeaway boxes etc etc.

Similarly objectionable is the manner in which the BBC have chosen to portray vaping in general alongside the health aspect, I had thought the media had moved on . . . all in all a totally biased piece of trashy journalism which belongs in the bin itself.

Your stance is well known on disposables DripDrop Vapour - so I wasn't anticipating anything but a negative comment concerning them, to which is your prerogative.

Would you prefer young people or those in an older age range to smoke tobacco cigarettes as that's what it boils down to? Because I certainly wouldn't.

Disposables, whether you, I or anyone else are for or against them - have a place. If there's an axe to grind, it's with the Regulator's and those establishments who sell these devices to those under age.

I might add, that when I first started vaping almost 14 years ago now, it wasn't unheard of for folk to use 54mg eliquid. Many of us threw our hands up in horror at that.

But, they weren't smoking tobacco . . . .

[DripDrop Vapour]

14% animal urine has been found too.
I think I'd rather smoke to be fair 🤣

Oct 6, 2022 14:26:10 GMT Perpetua said:

Oct 6, 2022 7:00:31 GMT DripDrop Vapour said:

If only they knew the truth about disposables 😕

A certain brand reports they are 20mg. But as they are all made in one factory, and only one needs to be tested before being registered under the TPD, most actually test up to 44mg. So no wonder kids are hooked on them!

Your stance is well known on disposables DripDrop Vapour - so I wasn't anticipating anything but a negative comment concerning them, to which is your prerogative.

Would you prefer young people or those in an older age range to smoke tobacco cigarettes as that's what it boils down to? Because I certainly wouldn't.

Disposables, whether you, I or anyone else are for or against them - have a place. If there's an axe to grind, it's with the Regulator's and those establishments who sell these devices to those under age.

I might add, that when I first started vaping almost 14 years ago now, it wasn't unheard of for folk to use 54mg eliquid. Many of us threw our hands up in horror at that.

But, they weren't smoking tobacco . . . .

[ghostrider1971]

I think the point I was trying to get across was the utter numbskulls the BBC interview in these situations to make their 'point'.

As responsible adults who vape we want to protect vaping as a safe alternative to smoking. These numbskulls (yes, I'll happily use that again) are basically going out to get vaping bad publicity with their sensationalism and often own stupidity.

'I like disposable vapes because I can coordinate them with my outfit' - I mean, seriously?

The current one - 'never had an addiction so bad' and 'have rushes'...but 'they taste great' but 'terrified' about the long term effects.

How many contradictions?

Absolute gutter journalism....I mean interviewing any of the millions of happy vapers would obviously be far too difficult...all about agendas...

[Postmodern Smoking]

Oct 6, 2022 16:12:17 GMT DripDrop Vapour said:

14% animal urine has been found too.
I think I'd rather smoke to be fair 🤣

Without wanting to hijack the main sentiment of the OP, on reporting bias/standards/etc....
That's a big, bold statement.... what evidence do you have to make such a sensational claim?

[DripDrop Vapour]

Both are common knowledge within the industry.

Oct 7, 2022 8:41:30 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Oct 6, 2022 16:12:17 GMT DripDrop Vapour said:

14% animal urine has been found too.
I think I'd rather smoke to be fair 🤣

Without wanting to hijack the main sentiment of the OP, on reporting bias/standards/etc....
That's a big, bold statement.... what evidence do you have to make such a sensational claim?

[striker42]

Whilst there may be a place for disposables, it is an area of vaping that may well destroy the industry as we know it and I would be happy to see them banned altogether. Regulation of them is practically non existent, other than proper vape shops being harassed by trading standards to ensure they are selling compliant devices, whilst the local tat shop, newsagent etc, sell anything they want vape related at will. Most “regulated and tested” and I use the term loosely, as per what DripDrop Vapour has said, cover disposables mainly up to 600 puffs. But……….this is where the unsuspecting weekend colour co-ordinating I only vape to be cool crew get taken to the cleaners : the illegal, unregulated, never been tested 3,500 puff disposable. For the reasonably experienced vaper working out that you WILL NOT GET 3,500 puffs from a 1500 mah battery and 2ml of eliquid is fairly easy, for others not so. Here is a 3,500 puff E lux legend disposable, chucked the towel in after around 300 puffs. I certainly wouldn’t like to vape this, would you ?

[ghostrider1971]

I almost think the concept of the disposable was quite good but the execution has been awful. Yes, they may have got a few people off cigarettes and that it a great thing and how they should have continued. Minor issues then of plastic and cardboard and battery waste. For me, as usual, the biggest problem was 'let's do it bigger and cheaper'. A lot of shops will happily sell to underage (Many shops are suffering with sales and a good number will do anything for a buck) which is a huge issues. If we take the Elf bar, the Chinese concept of let's do it cheaper (as with everything...) and you get duff quality but people like cheap (especially at the moment with the cost of living crisis). All we need now is a few of the disposables doing something haphazard and the whole of vaping will be in a world of trouble. "They" (government, anti's, lobbyists etc) aren't bright enough or don't care enough to distinguish between 'conventional' vaping and disposable vaping - it is, stupidly, one and the same to them.