DIY Liquid Question

[mazz]

Following the demise of Fasttech, I've been investigating the possibility of making my own liquid. I always bought 24mg tobacco flavours from them, and can't get used to the 18mg available commercially.

As 18mg seems to be the maximum nicotine shots available, my question is, if I add an extra 33% when mixing, will this give me a 24mg liquid? Or is that not how it works?

[Postmodern Smoking]

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. When you say 18mg..... it is actually 18mg/ml or 1.8% nicotine concentration (it is NOT the total nicotine).18mg/ml added to 18mg/ml is still 18mg/ml.... just more of it.  Anything you add to the nic shot will dilute it.
So, the strongest you can achieve is 18mg/ml by vaping just the nic shot, without any flavourings.

The only way is if you can get stronger nic liquid (e.g. 7.2% or 72mg/ml nic). This can be mixed with flavour concentrates, VG and PG to achieve 24mg/ml nic eliquid.

[mazz]

Feb 7, 2023 16:14:39 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. When you say 18mg..... it is actually 18mg/ml or 1.8% nicotine concentration (it is NOT the total nicotine). Anything you add to the nic shot will dilute it.
So, the strongest you can achieve is 18mg/ml by vaping just the nic shot, without any flavourings.

The only way is if you can get stronger nic liquid (e.g. 7.2% or 72mg/ml nic). This can be mixed with flavour concentrates, VG and PG to achieve 24mg/ml nic eliquid.

Thanks for the much appreciated explanation. Any idea where I can obtain 7.2% or 72mg/ml? I've been looking at eliquidflavourconcerntrates.co.uk. They have some, but it appears to be for trade only?

[Postmodern Smoking]

There are online or downloadable calculators (as well as asking on here) that make the mixing easy.

I believe that there are some suppliers of 72mg/ml nic out there (I have old stock that I still use, which is almost finished, so haven't bought any recently). If you're lucky and ask, you might get someone to PM you a link.



ETA Mandy Perpetua might know.

[mazz]

Feb 7, 2023 16:36:18 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

There are online or downloadable calculators (as well as asking on here) that make the mixing easy.

I believe that there are some suppliers of 72mg/ml nic out there (I have old stock that I still use, which is almost finished, so haven't bought any recently). If you're lucky and ask, you might get someone to PM you a link.



ETA Mandy Perpetua might know.

I've managed to find a site that sells 7.2% liquid nicotine.

I'm thinking of ordering 1L of Mono Propylene Glycol, 1L of Vegetable Glycerine, 250ml Tobacco flavour and 500ml of 7.2% liquid nicotine. I'm a complete beginner so I've no idea how far this will get me, but I'm thinking this, scales and a small funnel is all I need to at least make a start (I have a few bottles)? Recipes I will study once I have everything in front of me.

However there is a choice of PG or VG based nicotine and I've no idea which one I need. Or do I need both perhaps? If you're able to supply a few more words of wisdom I'd be most greatful.

*** Edited your post mazz erring on the side of caution. Mandy***

[Postmodern Smoking]

Personally I'd go for 7.2% (72mg/ml) nic in PG. (You don't need both)
A litre of plain PG and VG seems reasonable.

I find mixing by volume, using a large syringe and large bore blunt needle the easiest; although some prefer mixing by weight. (If you mix by weight you need to account for the the different densities of the liquids).

I currently buy bottle shots (I think that's what they're called(!)), which are usually 250ml bottles with around 20-30ml of flavour already in the bottom, ready for nic, PG & VG. I calculate how much nic in PG to add and measure this into the bottle. Top up by eye to half a bottle with PG and then finish by filling the rest of the bottle with VG. Giving me a set nic concentration and approx. 50/50 PG/VG ratio.

If you are just buying flavour concentrates, you'll also need a few empty dropper bottles for putting your mixes into.

Also note that after mixing (esp. tobacco flavours) it's best letting them "step" or mature and infuse for a week or so.

[Postmodern Smoking]

It might be useful to let us know what flavours/eliquids you like, and maybe what eliquid PG/VG ratio that you are used to.

I assure you that once you get mixing it's really not that complicated (If you can make orange squash/cordial, it's much the same except you measure the critical components; flavour and nicotine).

But I'm here most days, so will be willing to help.

[mazz]

Feb 7, 2023 21:20:09 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Personally I'd go for 7.2% (72mg/ml) nic in PG. (You don't need both)
A litre of plain PG and VG seems reasonable.

I find mixing by volume, using a large syringe and large bore blunt needle the easiest; although some prefer mixing by weight. (If you mix by weight you need to account for the the different densities of the liquids).

I currently buy bottle shots (I think that's what they're called(!)), which are usually 250ml bottles with around 20-30ml of flavour already in the bottom, ready for nic, PG & VG. I calculate how much nic in PG to add and measure this into the bottle. Top up by eye to half a bottle with PG and then finish by filling the rest of the bottle with VG. Giving me a set nic concentration and approx. 50/50 PG/VG ratio.

If you are just buying flavour concentrates, you'll also need a few empty dropper bottles for putting your mixes into.

Also note that after mixing (esp. tobacco flavours) it's best letting them "step" or mature and infuse for a week or so.

Thank you so much for your help and detailed responses which are really appreciate. Wish me luck, I'm going in! 

[MrDJ]

it might be a good idea to edit your posts mazz and remove the sites youve mentioned.
as said 72 is only officially available to trade and posting the links on a public forum is a bit risky for the forum and the company as we dont want trading standards paying them a visit.

another pm in comming

[mazz]

Feb 7, 2023 22:45:05 GMT MrDJ said:

it might be a good idea to edit your posts mazz and remove the sites youve mentioned.
as said 72 is only officially available to trade and posting the links on a public forum is a bit risky for the forum and the company as we dont want trading standards paying them a visit.

another pm in comming

Duly noted and thanks for the advice.