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Just checked.... they have sold out > sorry.

Frogster Guide to Steeping - The Why & How

A question I am often asked is “What is steeping?”, closely followed by “How long should I steep a Liquid”?

Essentially steeping (in the context that we are interested in, i.e. for e-liquids), is a process, or number of process, used to blend, age and mature an e-liquid, to the point where the best flavour can be obtained from vaping it.

Steeping can be observed in the manufacture of lots of things, for example, alcohol and the food industry. Anyone that’s made a Christmas pudding will know about allowing it time to mature and develop, or soaking the fruit in an alcohol overnight (steeping).

Steeping will provide the best possible e-juice by rounding out any harsh flavours, blending multiple flavours together, developing, maturing or ageing flavours. Flavorings need to completely diffuse into the types of base liquids we use, these need time to bond molecularly with any single or combination of base liquids used in a mix (Nic base, PG, VG, etc).

Steeping methods that have been tried and tested and proved (if not always scientifically) vary. Steeping will often improve a unpalatable liquid to a good liquid, and a good liquid in to a very good one…. so many liquids have been rejected due to lack of steeping, I don’t know of any that have worsened.

Time.
The first and most traditional method of steeping is “Time”. Leaving the top off the bottle (allowing air to get to it) will steep and improve a juice by itself, this is usually done by placing the opened bottle in a warm dark place for anything from a day or two up to 3 or 4 weeks, occasionally giving the bottle a squeeze to expel the air in it and replenish it with fresh air. Benefits are naturally steeped and matured juice, disadvantage, the length of time it takes.

Steeping however, in particular the time element, can be reduced by employing a number of methods.

Agitation.
Vigourus shaking, stirring, etc will help, allow time for the air bubbles to rise to the surface and then repeat again (as many times as you can/want).

Water Bath Heating.
Putting the bottle of juice in a warm (not hot) water bath will shorten the time it takes to mature a juice, it firstly thins the liquid and allows interchange and fusion at a molecular level. However, Heat is an enemy of Nicotine, it will degrade the Nic content if too hot. Warm not Hot water is advised.

Microwave.
Another method of heating is a microwave. This acts like above, but also has another action thought to do with increased molecular particle fusion when juice is blasted with microwaves. Once again, Heat is an enemy of Nicotine, so use in short 1 sec bursts to get it warm, not hot.

Using the above methods and then allowing time in a warm dark place, will reduce steeping times considerably.

Other agitation methods have been employed successfully, including placing bottles in a rotating polisher (for polishing gem stones etc), using a vibrating electrical orbital sander, one report of a person wrapping a bottle in cloth and putting it inside the hubcap of his car for the duration of his daily travel, (there has even been talk of attaching bottles with a rubber band to a “personal massager”).

Ultrasonics.
This method combines Vibration from pulses of energy and can also employ a warm water bath, reports have been very encouraging when using this method, some say reducing 2 weeks of steeping time to a single day.

Chemical additions.
There are new developments all the time, and I am sure that development on this is ongoing, however at this time no successfully reported methods have been noted.

So I can see the next question is going to be….. How long do I let a juice steep?

The Answer is “As long as it takes”. No two juices are the same, or will taste the same to you or me…. I would suggest the only person that can answer that is you…. It may be as little as a day or two, it could be a month…. But you will have to experiment, one thing is definite, they will improve from first making / opening of a bottle..

Even shop purchased e-liquids will improve with some steeping, manufactures usually bottle as soon as a juice is made, this halts the steeping process to a degree, employing the cap off and dark warm place method, will improve 99.9% of juices.

I am sure that many users do not obtain the full potential from their home made or shop purchased juices, just because they do not allow adequate time for it to reach its optimum.

Employing some of the above methods will hopefully reduce the “wait time”, and give you more pleasure from your chosen juice, albeit if that is next week rather than today.


(Perps, feel free to sticky this if you feel it will assist)

And how quick they can change!

A day can make all the difference to a juice, another will take a week....

So, while we ponder that one.... ??? If I may here, is another tip.....

I have no scientific reasoning or proof to back this up, but I find it works for me....

If I want to quicken the steeping time, maybe when I am developing a flavour, there are a few things that help...

I am sure everyone knows about a few secs in a microwave, and vigorous shaking, well after this I subject my juice to 10 cycles of 480 secs of ultrasonic vibration at 42kHz in a warm water bath in a ultrasonic cleaner that I have.

I think (but don’t quote me on this) the High frequency vibration has an effect on the liquid and flavour molecules, quickening the blending process. I know not everyone has an ultrasonic cleaner, and wouldn’t suggest rushing out to buy one just for this, but if you have one give it a go!

I have found the juice treated in this way starts to mature quicker, some juices that would normally darken or change colour after 2 weeks of traditional steeping (a sign of maturing), will change after just 24 Hrs. There are threads on this subject in other forums that support this.

Yep, Roger is right.....

Easy way to think about it is:-
50% Unflavoured Nic (36mg) and 50% Other stuff (The 50% of other stuff can be made up of VG or PG or both, and some flavours).

But, I recommend you take a look at this software ejuice.breaktru.com/ it is easy to understand and is very accurate.

Stalk your postie tomorrow Skwoody