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Post by Moon on Dec 4, 2012 7:25:55 GMT
Shame  Can't think what else you could try really - if it won't disperse in 70% PG then I think you might be stuck. The thing is, PG (and VG) is used in the food industry because so many flavourings are "oily" (especially citrus types) and it's a safe way of getting them soluble. I guess if what you've got is still separating then it's just not going to mix. Do you know of any e-liquid vendors who sell any kind of tutti-frutti juice. Maybe they'd be willing to let you know what they use (and how they use it)? I'll maybe try mixing a few flavours together. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 4, 2012 7:24:28 GMT
TPA do a tutti fruity, available at UKEliquid Have you tried it? I got some from LF a couple of months ago and found it really weak. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 4, 2012 7:21:41 GMT
I would Moonie . . . not having seen your windowsill, but I'd imagine they'd set it off to perfection.  I'll post pics when they arrive. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 23:34:20 GMT
What percentage of your mix is PG? If it's 50% or less, try increasing it and see if that helps. I'd have to look it up, but I'm not sure if VG is as effective as PG when it comes to getting oily flavourings to mix I use about 70% PG, mate. What a bummer, I really like the smell of the TF and I bunged some malic acid in to give it a bit of zing so was really looking forward to it. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 23:26:40 GMT
((((( Moonie ))))) Couldn't you get the bottles anyway, just to look at.  Well, they are awfully cheap, and they'd look quite pretty sat on the windowsill if the sun shone through them. Maybe I should buy a few, just in case. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 23:21:55 GMT
It sits on the top of my bottle just like the TF does. Strange - I used the orange in my Tap'n'Unwrap recipe with no probs ??? I wonder if they changed it? I'd be happy if I can use it as the smell's great, but I've just given it a shake this evening as it's still steeping, and there was a layer of it on the top of the mix. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 23:15:08 GMT
Now I got on ok with the orange, it's PG based It sits on the top of my bottle just like the TF does. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 23:07:21 GMT
Bloody bugger. I've got Tutti Frutti, and my orange does the same. Just ordered some lemon as well. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 22:19:26 GMT
So more to be worried about the non-sterile bottles than the environment. That makes sense. I told you I wasn't convinced of my logic, I think I'll take your advice. I was talking bollocks after all, how very disappointing. I wouldn't go as far as to say that you were talking bollocks  . The above is just my opinion based on general good practise, some experience in water laboratories and a bit of supposition. With PG's antibacterial properties the risks may in reality be less than stated, but I don't have data to back that up. I was only looking for people with more experience than me to poke holes in my logic, as I couldn't see any. You've poked enough for me to see any potential gains negated by the losses. I quite liked the idea of lots of glass amber bottles as well. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 21:34:16 GMT
Understood, but then I'd be opening the same bottle every time in the same non-sterile environment. My logic was based upon only needing to open the original bottle once to do the decanting, as opposed to having to open that same bottle every time I wanted to pour eg 100ml into a 'current' bottle. Storing it in glass would also, I hoped, stop the leaching of any nicotine into the plastic bottle, as it's (hopefully) going to be in the freezer for a good eighteen months, or at least the last of it is. I'm more than happy to be swayed on this as I'm not entirely convinced my logic is sound. True, but I think at least you would be pouring 'out' of the bulk freezer bottle, less risk than pouring 'in', or adding PG, or having non sterile bottles...I think. Pouring would also be preferable than to introduce anything non-sterile into your bulk freezer bottle. Yes, glass bottles don't leach, which is why we use them, despite their cost. How big an issue leaching is in plastic bottles.... I'm unsure; you'll maybe just loose a little strength in time. [Edit: Typo] So more to be worried about the non-sterile bottles than the environment. That makes sense. I told you I wasn't convinced of my logic, I think I'll take your advice. I was talking bollocks after all, how very disappointing. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 20:35:04 GMT
Understood, but then I'd be opening the same bottle every time in the same non-sterile environment.
My logic was based upon only needing to open the original bottle once to do the decanting, as opposed to having to open that same bottle every time I wanted to pour eg 100ml into a 'current' bottle.
Storing it in glass would also, I hoped, stop the leaching of any nicotine into the plastic bottle, as it's (hopefully) going to be in the freezer for a good eighteen months, or at least the last of it is.
I'm more than happy to be swayed on this as I'm not entirely convinced my logic is sound.
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 20:08:56 GMT
…. and I have heard tell that Perps has eagle eyes when it comes to Bollock spotting… I’ll join Skwoody, etal, and also get my coat…  I'll refrain from commenting as I'm far too polite. |
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 18:29:36 GMT
I currently have 500 ml of unopened 50mg PG nix base, and have just ordered 1 litre of 75mg.
I'm planning on glass bottling it and sticking it in the freezer to keep it as fresh as possible.
In order to do this, I plan on using smaller bottles, probably 100/120ml, so that I'm not opening a large bottle every time I want to mix some juice, and I'm thinking of diluting the 75mg down to 50mg before bottling, so each bottle I have in use at one time will last me less time than it would if it were 75mg, thus meaning at the end of the bottle it's only been out of the freezer for two months rather than three months.
Does this sound logical, or am I talking bollocks?
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Post by Moon on Dec 3, 2012 17:37:17 GMT
Thanks for the replies! I've ordered a couple of CE5s (one pink, one purple) and some spare coils/wicks. After Christmas, once I'm used to using the clearos and rebuilding them, I might treat myself to a lovely Vivi NOva STVs - just take a look at its loveliness: www.vapeescape.co.uk/vision-vivi-nova-stv~463And then I might look into dripping. But one thing at a time for now! You might as well ask Santa to bring you one, as they're essentially just bigger clearos than what you're already using, so you'll already know how to replace the heads. |
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Can't think what else you could try really - if it won't disperse in 70% PG then I think you might be stuck. The thing is, PG (and VG) is used in the food industry because so many flavourings are "oily" (especially citrus types) and it's a safe way of getting them soluble. I guess if what you've got is still separating then it's just not going to mix. Do you know of any e-liquid vendors who sell any kind of tutti-frutti juice. Maybe they'd be willing to let you know what they use (and how they use it)?
. The above is just my opinion based on general good practise, some experience in water laboratories and a bit of supposition. With PG's antibacterial properties the risks may in reality be less than stated, but I don't have data to back that up.
