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Post by Roger on Jun 13, 2013 11:10:21 GMT
In all likelihood what the MHRA have proposed would also fail under a court case, as possibly any medicalisation by the EU TPD. I still want to shout at politicians to tell them how they are being deceived or are trying to deceive the public. I'm not going to sit about waiting for someone else to do the work hoping to be left alone - or indeed be a frankly lamentable defeatist like beeman. If that was in response to my earlier post about ECCA forum reps, then you misunderstand what I meant. I am willing and happy to anything that is needed, I just feel that it needs to be coordinated and our Consumer Association reps would be the ideal ones to do it. If I am wrong, then I apologise and will stop being so sensitive.
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Post by Roger on Jun 13, 2013 10:49:16 GMT
Look at Fish Fight for example. www.fishfight.net/gained massive exposure and massive support making it impossible for the eu to ignore, it is ok while we stay confined in our forums whining between ourselves but it is public support we need to make ourselves really heard. What other ideas have we . Anyone? As I have posted in another thread, I feel it is time for all the forum ECCA reps to get together and coordinate any action. Unite & Fight.
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Post by Roger on Jun 13, 2013 10:46:47 GMT
I agree when dolly said that the write to your MEP has been done,I am not in disagreement with it,but I could stand at a car meet and ask 30 members what they know about the situation and they will know what they saw on the news last night,that's where we need to be,marching through the streets to our MEP's banners in hand or 10 Downing street,newspapers and tv and radio contacted,so far the one thing I have supported whole heartily is the smoke without fire campaign,write your banners,PLEASE DONT LET MHRA KILL US and whatever else,get in the publics face,get on TV,don't quietly disappear along with what we have now and love. Exactly my thoughts Alan. It had all been too wimpish so far. Those in charge have little or no idea how precious all this is to us. How could they? Most people don't even know what it is we do!! That needs to change. Too much talk and not enough action. I quite agree, but we need to do this in a rational way. I don't think hysterical posts like the first one in this thread will help us at all. I am surprised, I always thought Des was a logical, sensible sort of bloke. (That is NOT a dig by the way) I really think we need to maintain a calm approach, Unite and Fight. We have 3 years, things will happen, legal challenges (as has happened in other countries) will be mounted. I would like to see the ECCA reps from each forum work together and coordinate what will happen and how it will, otherwise we could end up with lots of little splinter groups trying, but achieving nothing. At the moment we do have some time on our side, hopefully we will not go off half cocked and get nowhere.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 17:08:41 GMT
Me Spartacus.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 17:05:05 GMT
Same here rogerI will buy the odd bottle here and there. Probably not this week. It will be rarer than hens teeth in Uk at the moment Seems to be in stock at the usual suspects.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 16:55:56 GMT
No, I don't think so. Here's what he says about it (from this thread): Oh well, back to the drawing board. You do know I had my tongue in my cheek? I am just not going to panic. People have been importing nicotine from all over the place and will continue to do so. I very much doubt the sale of PVs will stop even if it means sourcing from China which most of us already do. The flavourings are readily available. I am sure if push comes to shove the will always be a way of getting nicotine from somewhere. I've been saying the same as you Blownupdolly. There is a lot of scaremongering posts going on at the moment. We don't have the full details yet and as it is linked to the TPD (hence the 2016 thing), there is still a lot of maneuvering going on. I shall carry on buying base, although not 17ltrs!! (still has a life even in a freezer) RBA's and battery holders etc. There is a long way to go yet. I am not going to act like a toddler in the middle of Tesco, kicking and screaming cos the nasty man wants to take my toys away.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 16:23:31 GMT
How do you turn a leaf into a solution then? Are you going to go all Breaking Bad on us? Errrr... Pass But Didnt Frogster do it? If that's the case you can guarantee if things got too bad,nicotine extractors will be the new top career choice at the job centre!! How are you with chemicals jen? I'll grow it, you extract it That was extraction for tobacco flavouring, nicotine extraction is a different ball game altogether.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 15:52:19 GMT
The future has been decided today and 2016 all nic products will only be available at a pharmacy and in much less mg levels than we are using today, i fear for the vendors, as i will not be buying lots of equipment from now on as it will become useless Links to this please, or proof at least.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 13:40:19 GMT
That's twice you've posted that now, it had already been posted well before you did the first time.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 12:40:48 GMT
BTW there is no TAX on medical products. But the cost of making them a medicine will boost the price up. Ultimately this is good news for those that want to just use look-a-likes, but for those that use egos/mods then this 'could' be bad news. But we will have to await the MHRA's full proposal. But we have 2 years to build up nic bases, and get replacement mods, atties etc. Or 2 years to fight the proposal, or both 2016-2013=3 There will be legal challenges. I am not going to panic yet. We don't even know the full scope of any recommendations yet. If it does all turn to shit then I will think again. But battery tubes and RBA's etc will still be available and there will be ways of getting nic base etc. Basically although feeling angry, I am trying not to over-react just yet.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 12:30:34 GMT
i want one of the new ecigs that senses the airflow wher can i buy one Lots of places, how do you think an auto battery works??
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 12:22:05 GMT
Amazon sell nicorettes ... They are not medicines. They WILL be.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 12:18:46 GMT
I guess we will still await their full proposal, as there is nothing set in stone, and the guardian articles says hope to be med regs by 2016 Exactly. What we don't need is endless pages of speculation until we know what the proposals entail. It may not be just available from pharmacies, it all depends on the licencing etc.
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 12:09:12 GMT
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Post by Roger on Jun 12, 2013 12:07:41 GMT
If it really is from 2016, it gives plenty of time for legal challenges to their ideas.
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